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1795 Birmingham? 1-Penny "Industry Sure Has It's Rewards"

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 Posted 06/22/2009  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobtownBuzi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I just read your comment and will take your advice by posting the coin in the token forum...if no results, by tomorrow, I will place it in the I.D. forum.

Thank You - Andrew
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 Posted 06/22/2009  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We know its Birmingham for sure now , we can date it for sure.We know its a conder for sure,just havnt seen another with that particular design.With Britania you would think..ok thats going to be the most commen one , I've yet to find it and I've looked at hundreds of tokens in the last 24 hours on various sites.
Plenty of Birmingham tokens , just not that one.

The Token forum will get you some hits for sure.
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 Posted 06/22/2009  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I gotta say I'm surprised to find your thread locked in the token forum.Perhaps the Mod in question can advise on where this conder token is best discussed as we hit a dead end in here and any token experts are surely going to be in the token forum.
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 Posted 06/22/2009  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TokenDave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a Conder Token as follows:

Warwickshire -- Birmingham DH 58
Dalton & Hamer (DH)
Obverse: Shield Bearing four hedgehogs, crest a hedgehog
Industry Has It's Sure Reward.
Reverse: Britannia seated
Rule Britannia
Edge: Payable in London, and engrailed

This token is listed as "Rare" in "The Provincial Token-Coinage of the 18th Century by Dalton & Hamer 1910 -- 1918
Davissons Ltd. 1990

Wonderful find!
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 Posted 06/22/2009  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh its a hedgehog ..lol..thanks TokenDave , thats that then.MobtownBuzi will be pleased.
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 Posted 06/22/2009  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TokenDave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to help. Ironically, I don't regularly visit this forum. I found this thread because of its brief (very, very brief) visit to the Token Forum :-)
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that's is great to here guys, I'm pleased to finally have an I.D. on the coin. I will document it and catalog it. I appreciate any help with this particular coin. MobtownBuzi - Andrew
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ok, finally, I don't know the Dalton and Hamer book series at all......what do they usually mean by "rare" when it comes to mintage, price, etc. ?....and can anyone recommend a decent book for conder tokens, or is the Dalton and Hamer series the main guide in the "conder-token" community?
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 Posted 06/23/2009  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TokenDave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
D&H picked up where Conder left off so the book I referenced earlier in the thread is THE reference for Conder tokens. The text uses the following designations for rarity: RRR, RR, R, Scarce and Common. The subject token of this thread is R. Concerning pricing, google Falmouth Stamp and Coin to get a feel for it. They have a wide range of Conder tokens at many price-points.

I got into Conder tokens after it became clear that certain themes in U.S. tokens came from Conder token designs -- even some of the die sinkers are the same. Some U.S. post-Colonial coins are, in fact, Conder tokens. Best of all, the designs are absolutely beautiful and full of clever (sometimes very funny) symbolism.
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Hm, where is my posts?
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