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 Posted 12/29/2009  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the Siberian coins the critters are canine (either wolves or foxes, I'm not sure), yours look like a lion and a unicorn which moves it toward the British isles. I can't really make out what is that on the other side but it doesn't look like a coin, rather a token of some sort.
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 Posted 12/29/2009  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DJB1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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i have this coin and I have been told that it looked like siberian also.Is it correct?


Hi 'jlcarvoeiro'. The image looks like a lion and a horse. It's hard to tell for sure since the coin is worn and corroded. It looks similar to the Siberian coins, because the animals are supporting the shield, the arms has a crown on top. Sorry I can't tell you more about what area this coin is from.

~Daniel
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On the Siberian coins the critters are canine (either wolves or foxes, I'm not sure), yours look like a lion and a unicorn which moves it toward the British isles. I can't really make out what is that on the other side but it doesn't look like a coin, rather a token of some sort.
jlcarvoeiro Posted - Today :4 Hrs 21 Min ago


Hi 'svslav'. Actually, the animals are Sables. They are a species of Marten which were for their high quality fur and were major source of trade in Russia and Siberia. Thus, they were used on regional arms and the coins (except the Polushka).

~Daniel.
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here are the pictures deh1952 was trying to upload for you to help him with

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 Posted 12/31/2009  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DJB1968 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks 'Bryan1315'. That is indeed a 5 Kopek coin. However, I can't tell what the date is because of glare on the shield. Could you possibly take another photo without using the flash? There is moderate wear on the shield design, which is typical for these coins. Overall from what I can see, this is decent grade. Also, could you photograph the edge of the coin? I want to see the edge pattern. Most have diagonal hatch marks, but some of the earlier issues have lettering on the edge.

~Daniel
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Hi Daniel
The coin has hatch marks on it . The date I can not read. Do you know how to get the date out. it is a real thick coin Thank you much
Dan
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jlcarvoeiro, your coin bears a resemblance to a British East India Company quarter anna.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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The coin has hatch marks on it . The date I can not read. Do you know how to get the date out. it is a real thick coin Thank you much
Dan


Hi 'deh1952'. If you can't make out any of the digits on the shield, it may be impossible to pinpoint a date. However, if you can get the last digit, you can do a process of elimination. The 5 Kopek coin was minted from 1767-1780. There were also specimens dated 1763,64,66 and a second type for 1767, but these are listed as being very rare, so highly doubt it's any of these. That's one of the problems of Siberian coins, in that the shield design wears very easily because of the high relief, sometimes making the date difficult or impossible to read.

~Daniel
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Hi Daniel
The more I look at it the last number on it is a 2 or a 7 about what is it worth do you know. I know it is in good shape for how old it is. Thanks alot. Dan.
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The more I look at it the last number on it is a 2 or a 7 about what is it worth do you know. I know it is in good shape for how old it is. Thanks alot. Dan.


Hi 'deh1952'. If what you said is true, it's either dated 1767,1772, or 1777.Since no coins were issued before 1763 or after 1780, these are the only possibiliies. I hope this helps.

~Daniel
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hi Daniel
thanks for all . One more question could yoy tell me about what this could be worth. Thank you Dan
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The more I look at it the last number on it is a 2 or a 7 about what is it worth do you know. I know it is in good shape for how old it is. Thanks alot. Dan


Hi 'deh1952'. The prices vary from date to date, and since the exact date isn't legible, it would drastically reduce the amount it would be worth. Krause's catalog is the only readily available price guide, but their prices are well below what that actual prices are, that it doesn't help much. I'm not an expert at grading coins, but from what I see your coin grades a Very Good to Fine condition. As for estimate price, I would guess this would be $60 if it's a 1772 or 1777, and $100 if it's a 1767 (Type 2). Note, these are just estimates and based on my opinion only. You should have it appraised by a trusted professional to get a better figure. Good luck.

~Daniel
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2 copecks of 1780
Beautiful sables, safety pulls on XF
Beauty

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Very nice example 'ribis'. According to Krause, this is last date that the 2 Kopek was issued. Thanks for sharing this.

~Daniel
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