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 Posted 03/11/2011  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here she is in person. Amazing what a little magnification can do. Not sure it will hold up to MS64 now but there's no sign of the fingerprint I thought might be there on the obverse. The fleck on the eagle's wing is on the capsule, not the coin. As for the DMPL, looks good on both sides "through the capsule" but didn't wanna take it out of the airtite to be sure. Pix are right outta the camera except for resizing.

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 Posted 03/13/2011  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice Morgan. If you're looking to keep her, JMO, the old girl looks happy right where she's at.
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 Posted 03/20/2011  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Little lady didn't make the grade. Local coin dealer says it's a body bag prospect due to cleaning. Still looks mighty purdy in hand though without the benefit of magnification. Think I'll just keep her wrapped up snug as a bug in a rug in her airtite and keep her for my pocket piece. Finally managed to take some decent fotos (for me). The long scratch from L 2nd/3rd star to UNUM is on the airtite.

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 Posted 03/23/2011  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sidekick-CA

Might I ask what you use to take your coin photos? Do you have a camera that plugs into your computer, like a USB input?

Thanks, JackB
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 Posted 03/23/2011  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Never trust a local coin dealer on a cleaning opinion.

Unless there are obvious fine parallel hairlines across the surfaces, chances are an uncirculated coin will NOT be bagged as cleaned even if it has been dipped many time.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Never trust a local coin dealer on a cleaning opinion.


AGREED 95% of the time. I think they often say this just in case you sell it to them. It's almost to form a little rationalization for them to lowball you in the future if you come back to sell more stuff. I've noticed how they will not mention something, but once something comes back cleaned to a surprise, they'll be all "oh yeah, thats definitely been cleaned".

They're not perfect...I can tell when a coin dealer is really honest, and most are not (or at the least, will 'bend' grades to get a better deal for themselves). That's why I often won't outright mention problems with them...I let them come to the conclusion, since they're trying to lowball me anyway. I've had them miss problems before, btw.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jack, these pix were taken with a Canon A720/IS 8MP point n shoot camera. It came out a number of years ago and I got it from ebay for $90. Think the original price was $500-something. No computer plug-in (like to have one though). Just use a copystand and then put the camera's SD card into computer to see what kind of results I got. I'm still not totally happy with the results I'm getting and still experimenting but check out SuperDave's post at https://goccf.com/t/29441. Excellent tutorial on coin photography using lower end cameras. I do have an old JVC 3.3MP camera which works the best for super macro shots recommended by Bryan1315.

Fenton, this particular coin dealer is a PCGS authorized dealer and so thought I was in good hands. I wouldn't have thought he'd recommend against submission since he stands to make "dinero" on the transaction. Perhaps his code of ethics overcame his love of the $$ signs. But thanks for your thoughts. Now you've got me wondering agaih.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sidekick-CA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah ha Shadow ! He DID make me an offer which I turned down as the coin is worth more to me just for its eye appeal than his offer.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every coin is different, which blows the concept of slabbing out of the water. The whole idea of slobbing is that one ms64 is the same as any other ms64, and it doesn't take much exposure to coins to know that is bullship.

Another major failing is body bagged coins, except for fakes. Two coins almost identical, one has been baking soda'd. First comes back 65, worth $10,000, second one body bagged. Essentially, the TPG is saying the cleaned coin is worthless, same as a fake, but we all know a knowledgeable collector might gladly pay $5000 for it.
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 Posted 03/23/2011  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You Sidekick-CA; appreciate the quick response. Very helpful info! JackB
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 Posted 03/23/2011  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Crazy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does look like it was wiped at one point, I must say... still a very fine coin.
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