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Another Caracalla Britainicus

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 Posted 10/24/2011  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Interesting coin, particularly for the "colorful" history of Caracalla--a color that was often blood red.
If I recall correctly, there was an archaeological dig in Britain (York/Eboracum?) that uncovered a group of headless Roman soldiers, which were attributed to one of Caracalla's purges. That emperor wasn't terribly popular in his day, was he?
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 Posted 10/25/2011  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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particularly for the "colorful" history of Caracalla--a color that was often blood red


Haha - yep, he was certainly a 'strong' ruler.

Despite his fathers dying wishes (in York) to 'live in harmony' with his co-ruler and brother Geta, Caracalla had him murdered in front of their mother less than a year later! This sparked a wave of murders of anyone who he thought did / would not support him. Estimates say 12,000 were slaughtered.


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there was an archaeological dig in Britain (York/Eboracum?) that uncovered a group of headless Roman soldiers


I think this is the find you reference:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2...or-graveyard

It doesn't state it in the link but I'm sure these finds were dated to the time of Caracalla and his father. I watched a documentary about it recently. Caracalla was a showman and although liked to perform he usually held back from the 'all-out' behaviour the likes of Commodus showed. York, it seems, held onto its brutal games long after they became unpopular elsewhere in the more civilized Empire. I would guess Britain was heavily militarised at this time and the soldiers were easier to control with these types of bread and circuses.

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 Posted 10/25/2011  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
Nice link bobby. I like reading about the old times.
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 Posted 10/25/2011  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
JW I think its easier said then done when it comes to buying coins. I always mean to slow down on buying coins but but cant seem to quit,never fails
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 Posted 10/31/2011  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Well, I received my Caracalla and I'm totally bummed. I suppose the auto sorter at the post office either here or in GB caused this damage:


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However, this dealer is one of the more reputable and offered a full refund. But I decided to make a counter offer to buy it as is for $10 plus a credit for the remainder to which they agreed. Now I will try to glue the pieces together. I think I remember a thread where someone glued pieces together with super glue. If so, how did it work out?

JW
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 Posted 10/31/2011  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Ouch! That's my second biggest fear when expecting an ancient through the mail (my first is the coin getting stolen at some stage in its transit). Other than the damage, you still have a nice coin IMO.
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 Posted 10/31/2011  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Ouch, unlucky mate.

I've glued a couple of coins in the past, it works fine and is certainly better than the alternative. Just use the minimum glue you can, this coin will probably be stronger than most when glued due to the way it has broken, lots of surface area is showing.
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 Posted 10/31/2011  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
That was a nice coin! Good luck with restoring that one!
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 Posted 10/31/2011  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list
Wow, that is truly unfortunate. I've also heard of coins breaking that are fake that used a process described at FORVM as "cold pressed". What is the likelihood of that happening?

That's good that you found a seller that is willing to work with you about it since technically, it may not be his fault unless it could have been packaged better.
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 Posted 10/31/2011  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list

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That's good that you found a seller that is willing to work with you about it since technically, it may not be his fault unless it could have been packaged better.


That was my position. It should have been packaged in such a way as to prevent this from happening. The seller, a dealer I have purchased from several times, either saw it as their fault or that it would be in their best interest to keep me as a happy customer. Perhaps both.

I will post a picture once I have it repaired.

Regards,

JW
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 Posted 10/31/2011  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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I've also heard of coins breaking that are fake that used a process described at FORVM as "cold pressed". What is the likelihood of that happening?
I've also read how silver alloys of genuine, ancient coins undergo a process of "embrittlement". There is an interesting article here.
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 Posted 10/31/2011  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
The coin test positive for a high concentration of silver. I do not think this is a fake and is more likely "embrittlement" as DVCollector suggests.

JW
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 Posted 11/01/2011  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
I've mended the coin the best I can with super glue. It doesn't look near as good as it did before the breakage, but it will have to do. Now that the coin cost me $10 which is near what it would have cost for me to mail the coin back to the dealer, I feel I got my money's worth. Now, all I have to do is find another coin this dealer has for sale at around $40. Oh me, oh my. How will I ever spend this money.

JW

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 Posted 11/02/2011  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Caesar381 to your friends list
Wow! This was nice coin,and price was good too! Too bad...
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 Posted 11/03/2011  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adeper to your friends list
Aaaa this is Ceasar that lose mind?
And every season of this life coins have face with the changes of madness...I read about this.
It's very nice coin, perfect condition
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