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1838 Matron Head And 15 Friends .. Ebay Lot

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 Posted 11/07/2011  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
The Indians are taking a bath .... covered in green slime. The good news is that its coming right off, and there doesn't appear to be any significant damage from it so far. They're all commons. The oldest an 1883, and the newest a 1909 ... Philly of course

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 Posted 11/07/2011  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
Here's the little tribe of Indians ... look likel lots of others I've seen. A couple need more time in the juice.

Chance

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 Posted 11/07/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Question: how do you get around the 100K image posting?

The IHC image is 586439 bytes and 1400 X 909 pixels, according to the properties of the image.

The Large Cent OBV is 659243 bytes and 1228 X 1244 pixels.
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11/07/2011 12:41 pm
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My pictures are hosted at imgur.com, a free image hosting site. They give you the html tagged link to insert in bulletin boards ... though I already knew the code needed to make it appear ... it's easier to just copy and paste.

I can use real big pictures and not take up any CCF server space.

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 Posted 11/07/2011  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
Didn't get too carried away with it, but here's about 60 seconds in the naptha, followed by rinsing with acetone via the airbrush. I need to take them with better lighting, but the crud in the headband is going to wash out easily.

Chance

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 Posted 11/08/2011  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
I didn't know what "naptha" is, so I Googled it... all I found out is that it's an industrial solvent similar to gasoline (yikes!)... it won't hurt coins?
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 Posted 11/08/2011  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
It's actually lighter fluid ... and it has no effect on coloration. Once flushed away with acetone .. it's not there anymore, so there's no need for any concern about long term effects of the solvent on the metal. It's an effective solvent for pvc contamination.

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 Posted 11/10/2011  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mariospaghetti to your friends list
I might have to try this so called method on my 1800 large cent, problem is I think it is corroded. Dang it. I will see. Nice looking coin! I have taken a liking of the large cents over the past few decades.
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I might have to try this so called method on my 1800 large cent, problem is I think it is corroded.


Removing corrosion is cleaning your coins, which are the first three rules of coin collecting you are never suppose to do, especially if trying a new method. You don't want to ruin your coin!
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 Posted 11/10/2011  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
Leaving corrosion on a coin is no better. Corrosion can hold moisture, fostering even further damage to the coin. There a5re exceptions to every rule. If there's nothing wrong with the coin...then absolutely .... leave it alone .... period.

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 Posted 11/13/2011  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
I was not too impressed by the original photo (angled and out of focus) but the second set of images of the large cent are a lot better. I strikes me as a pretty nice coin! It isn't a N-11, 13 or 15 though, doesn't have the broken uprights on the N's of ONE and CENT. Haven't tried to attribute it yet (every time I get a chance to look at it I'm away from my references.)
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 Posted 11/16/2011  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chancellor Sutler to your friends list
Hi Conder101

The original picture was the one from the listing and is the picture I had to use to assess the coin. While there are things you couldn't tell from those images, there were things that you could take away from them. The obverse ri is full and rounded. The detail in the leaves in the wreath was strong, and the coin wasn't nicked, bruised and scarred. The "old school" paper envelope suggested a coin that had been kept for a very long time (to me)

The Legend is weak and so are the stars on the obverse, but this coin was struck that way. There are but a few places where the original skin of the coin is broken.

I know it's a common later middle date, but offered up with the indian heads for 52 dollars, I thought it a nice pickup. I haven't taken more time to study it myself. I'll probably end up buying some books. There was a copy of penny whimsy on ebay not long ago. I probably should have nabbed it.

So many coins, so little money.

Thanks for your input.

Chance
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 Posted 11/16/2011  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Leaving corrosion on a coin is no better. Corrosion can hold moisture, fostering even further damage to the coin. There a5re exceptions to every rule. If there's nothing wrong with the coin...then absolutely .... leave it alone .... period.

Chance

Lots of differences in corrosion, staining, tarnishing, PVC contaminations, toning, dirty, etc. On many coins it is just old fashioned, ordinary dirt and using all sorts of chemicals to remove that is not to smart. Corrosion on coins is actually rare since so many are used and little chance for real corrosion to happen. Using Naptha, lighter fluids, dish soaps, Tomato juices, Olive Oil and all the other (It really works for me) substances is taking chances on how it will be effected later.
True real corrosion is dangerous but even that could be stopped by removing moisture and air from the presence of the coins.
However, as most do, since they are your coins, you could do with them as you think best.
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You'd have to know the Ph of "plain old ordinary dirt" to be able to ascertain whether or not leaving it as it is poses any threat to preservation in the long run. If the dirt has gathered in the protected areas via oil from human skin .... it's certain that its not neutral Ph, it's acidic.

I've stated before ... if a coin has no problems, then leaving it alone is the best course. If, however, it has gobs of hard, green verdigris on it, a condition that's hardly rare, and its value is nominal ...meaning its already considered junk, then the gloves are off. There's no down side. It's still going to be looked upon as junk, and I am gaining an education in conservation.

You're gonna love the "zombie" set of Indian Heads I'm going to build. There are so many corroded up Indian heads out there that it boggles the mind. I'm going to do some extreme makeovers, purely for the purpose of education. I'm sure it'll be controversial, and may be the topic of some discussion, but "so be it".

Chance
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11/16/2011 11:49 am
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You're gonna love the "zombie" set of Indian Heads I'm going to build. There are so many corroded up Indian heads out there that it boggles the mind. I'm going to do some extreme makeovers, purely for the purpose of education. I'm sure it'll be controversial, and may be the topic of some discussion, but "so be it".


We look forward to seeing the results of your efforts, Chance. Good luck, and please share your techniques too.
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