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1812 Half Dollar With Initials Under Shield

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 Posted 11/16/2011  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Aw, that's a huge clash & counterclash. Outstanding. Insane. Furthermore, the dies had to be rotated when it all happened. I'm still wrapping my mind around how it worked, but your pics are plenty clear-enough to show the features as being raised on the coin, proving it happened at the Mint.

This is glorious.
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 Posted 11/16/2011  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list
This coin is one that should be sent in to one of the grading services for an attribution.

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 Posted 11/16/2011  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jeffrose to your friends list

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I think it's the LIBERTY from the obverse head band left on the reverse die after the clash.
Very nice.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
That's the nicest clash I've seen on a CBH! Great find! It definitely looks like BER from LIBERTY both under the shield and in the field next to it. WOW!

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 Posted 11/17/2011  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
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 Posted 11/17/2011  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Very nice!

I am glad you were able to get the photos up.
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 Posted 11/17/2011  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
might I add, please stay away from this dealer that you took your coin to. If he does not know what a 1812 Capped Bust half dollar is when its in his hand, he may be in the wrong business. I guess I can understand a fairly secluded bullion dealer not knowing what a clashed die looks like but even those should know what designs are on the coins of what specific years
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 Posted 12/02/2011  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lynn bressler to your friends list

I have tried to download a pic of the front of this coin. Can anyone tell me if this is a large 8?

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 Posted 12/03/2011  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cd_god to your friends list
Very unique coin.

I am no expert, but I think the letter detail under the shield is too storng to be a clashed die. Maybe the planchet was used for test strikes or something of that sort and then restruck as a complete coin later on.
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 Posted 12/03/2011  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
Very nice die clash. Send it off to ANACS if you dont have a membership with the thieves guild. You really need to pay for them to research the errors involved here.
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 Posted 12/03/2011  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I DO NOT think it is a case of clashed dies.

I think that the coin is an overstrike from another coin, and some of the original detail has survived. Is there any evidence of planchet weight adjustment?

Considering the date, I have read that the practice of overstriking of other coins was not all that unusual.

Nevertheless even as an overstrike, still a very interesting coin. More research is obviously required.
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 Posted 12/04/2011  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enoilgam to your friends list
I think you should definitely consider getting this slabbed by a top tier TPG, so that you can get a definitive answer as to what type of error this is.
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 Posted 12/05/2011  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
It is a clashed die. If it had been struck over another coin the field area and the stripes would be the least likely areas for traces of the original coin to remain because those would be the first places crushed in the second strike.
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 Posted 12/05/2011  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 14ers to your friends list
I don't think it could be an overstrike either, especially of another bust half. The mystery letters on the reverse are raised while "LIBERTY" on the obverse is incuse. It seems they would have to remain incuse if it was an overstrike. Also the mystery letters seem to be reversed, as in a mirror.... or a die clash. A third party grade is a great idea.
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 Posted 12/05/2011  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lynn bressler to your friends list
Someone told me that this coin might be a large 8. Any ideas or suggestions? We have decided to have this graded and I will continue to update the coin community of the outcome of that grading process.
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