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Cleaned With Details Vs. Uncleaned But Worn (Type Albums)

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 Posted 12/07/2011  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enoilgam to your friends list
I had this issue with my 20 cent piece as well. The uncleaned ones were well worn, the cleaned ones had good detail and the rest were too expensive. I ended up getting a cleaned one (dipped), because I wanted the coin to have clear details. Many 20 cent pieces which fell into my budget had the words " Twenty Cents" erased, which is why I decided to settle for cleaned.

Personally, as someone who collects purely for the hobby, I would be willing to buy a cleaned coin if it had a good appearence (some dont look that bad). Obviously, original is best but cleaning is not a massive turnoff for me.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list
I started putting together my IHC and 'wheatie' collection years ago when I had limited funding. At that time I could only afford the more common dates in primarily good condition. Then I did not know the difference between a cleaned and uncleaned coin, and I wouldn't have cared. My only interest was filling as many holes in my Whitman folder that I could.

Now that I am retired and more secure financially, I am upgrading and buying quality coins to add to my collection, and filling those empty holes in my Dansco.

So I guess what I am saying is buy whatever coins that please you, fill as many holes as you can afford and enjoy your collection with the thought in mind that down the road you may be able to replace these coins and upgrade your collection with more desirable coins.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list
For me it depends on how severe the cleaning. Coins can vary from "lightly" cleaned to "harshly" cleaned. If it had a light cleaning that toned over, I would opt for the higher details....but for a coin that is white and heavily hairlined, it would bother me every time I looked at it, so I would sacrifice details for originality.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list
I agree with Johnny that it depends.

I have a few cleaned coins in my 7070 but they still have what I consider to be an overall attractive appearance due to either re-toning or having been lightly cleaned with evidence only visible under magnification.

I would rather wait than to put an obviously harshly cleaned coin into a slot but I would certainly consider a lightly cleaned coin if attractive.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list
I actually like the look of worn coins, in G or VG. Makes them look older and more mysterious...
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 Posted 12/07/2011  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list
Well, I can honestly say I like the look of toned or otherwise darkened coins, but the lack of detail in worn coins really drives me crazy. A coin doesn't have to be shiny and white, but I'd like to at least be able to see all the important features.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
As has already been mentioned, the degree of cleaning makes a huge difference. If the coin looks downright ridiculous, I'd rather have one that is well worn. I agree with wanting to see a type coin to represent its history and evolution. I feel like a very cleaned coin just takes away from that.

I also want to mention that it depends on what metal the coin is made of. If its a rare or expensive piece, I can excuse a cleaned silver or nickel coin, but I just loathe cleaned copper coins. I can't stand the way they look. Just a personal preference. If we were talking cents, anything beyond a light cleaning with 70+ years of re-toning and I'm opting for the lower grade original piece.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Too many times I've owned coins with great detail but have some problem, such as cleaning. And, too many times I get my head handed back to me when I go to sell and I'm on the losing end. If your coin has any "But's" about it (it's great, BUT...), you'll notice it every time you look at that coin. That said, some people don't care about owning a coin like that, especially if the price is right.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list
I agree that if you are paying AU prices for a cleaned coin with AU details, you will likely regret it down the road. I'm talking about getting coins with AU details at a deep discount due to cleaning, however. In that case, I would expect the coin to keep its value over time since there will always be other collectors who will be interested in it.

Having said that, of course, that's assuming you ever plan to sell your coins...
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 Posted 12/07/2011  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
I'd love to have only problem free coins with great detail. My financial situation doesn't allow for that so if the problem is not distracting I'll go for it. The key for me is that I have to KNOW I can resell for more than I paid. That means buying for enough under market to recoup the purchase price. With those criteria I still have empty holes in my type set.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
Cleaned with sharp details as long as it's not polished
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 Posted 12/07/2011  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
The earlier the coin is, the more likely it is I would accept a cleaned version.

Given that light cleaning was an acceptable practice in the collecting world many decades ago, even some TPG's have issued regular slabs for a few lightly cleaned/dipped coins (especially for pre-Civil War issues).

Also, some designs look better in G-VG grade than others.
A Barber in "G" is a yawner, but in "AU" (even with details), it's a whole other story visually.
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 Posted 12/07/2011  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list
Just as an example:

Cleaned-With-Details-Vs.-Uncleaned-But-Worn-Type-Albums

The one on the left has lots of great details but has been harshly cleaned and possibly polished. The one on the right (supposedly) has an original finish but is too worn to make out details such as the "Liberty" on the shield.

Assuming you couldn't afford to buy a coin with details like the first coin in original condition and both of these were available at approximately the same price, which would you rather have in your type album? Or would you rather just have neither one and stare at an empty hole until you could afford one?
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 Posted 12/07/2011  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
It's not an "either/or" proposition. As in, "I'm going to buy a harshly cleaned/polished coin because it's cheap" OR "I'm going to buy a heavily worn, problem-free coin for about the same money".

With patience you can often find lightly cleaned pieces with excellent remaining detail for steep discounts. Harshly cleaned and polished coins should always be steeply discounted.

You can also look for under-graded pieces but that's a whole 'nother animal........
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 Posted 12/07/2011  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list

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It's not an "either/or" proposition.

True, that. Which is why I offered a third choice of leaving the hole empty until you can afford to buy a coin with the details you want in original condition.
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