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1909 LWC You Vs PCI

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 Posted 01/04/2012  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The_Duke to your friends list
I say MS62, no telling where PCI had it, probably much higher.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Poor coin, why did PCI have to go and stab it?

I would call it MS-63BN, clean fields with no major hits but limited by a minor reverse rim bruise
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 Posted 01/04/2012  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list
I'd go with 63BR
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 Posted 01/04/2012  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Some conservative grades so far, I see some nice luster under the brown and virtually hit-free surfaces.

MS-64/65BN
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 Posted 01/04/2012  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Gorgeous. I don't see a whole lot keeping it from 65BN; can anyone point out to me the marks which require a lower grade?
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 Posted 01/04/2012  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Nice.. Nice... MS-64BN
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 Posted 01/04/2012  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Gorgeous. I don't see a whole lot keeping it from 65BN; can anyone point out to me the marks which require a lower grade?


The ONLY negative I see this the very light reverse rim hit at 5 o'clock on the reverse. However, I don't think that's bad enough to warrant a 7-8 pt grade deduction.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I should also add that the non-VDB 1909's are WAY WAY WAY under-valued. I can find VDB's in every grade all day long but the plain 1909's are VERY elusive in high MS grades.....regardless of mintage. I rarely see them offered for sale and the price differential from the VDB is completely obsurd IMO. If any thing, they should be priced HIGHER than a VDB because they are indeed scarce.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pman860507 to your friends list
This coin does have amazing luster. photos dont capture it very well. the hit on the 5 o'clock rim is the only thing I noticed on the coin. it has a full beard any everything looking at it under a loupe makes my jaw drop. How can I determine if the hit is actually a hit or a chipped at the mint. I am just wondering because it looks oval.

Thad,

I was actually reading about something like that a few weeks back. for sell was a 1919-S pretty common coin but it was a very very high grade. dont remember exactly what it was but it ended up bringing a bunch of money because how rare it is to find one in the grade in which its was in.

I'm glad I got this coin when I did.

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 Posted 01/04/2012  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I will guess MS-63 BN to MS-64 BN.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list
I didn't put my reasoning
Obverse:
Scratch in front of the beard above the date
White fuzziness on 9 of the date and down the back bother me.
I'd like a stronger strike.
Reverse:
That fuzziness that's on the front is even more pronounced on the reverse. I don't know what it is. If it's glare from the light source then I'll up my grade by a point and a half.
Rim Ding at 5'

I don't think I'd have any problem with this being a 64 looking at it a second time, but I just can't see 65. I know I'm not supposed to take die state into account, but I have trouble giving 65s and up to anything but STRONGly struck coins. I might be asking too much but I almost want to see individual hairs on his head.

Regardless, this one is a beauty.
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I should also add that the non-VDB 1909's are WAY WAY WAY under-valued. I can find VDB's in every grade all day long but the plain 1909's are VERY elusive in high MS grades.....regardless of mintage. I rarely see them offered for sale and the price differential from the VDB is completely obsurd IMO. If any thing, they should be priced HIGHER than a VDB because they are indeed scarce.


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I didn't put my reasoning
Obverse:
Scratch in front of the beard above the date
White fuzziness on 9 of the date and down the back bother me.
I'd like a stronger strike.
Reverse:
That fuzziness that's on the front is even more pronounced on the reverse. I don't know what it is. If it's glare from the light source then I'll up my grade by a point and a half.
Rim Ding at 5'

I don't think I'd have any problem with this being a 64 looking at it a second time, but I just can't see 65. I know I'm not supposed to take die state into account, but I have trouble giving 65s and up to anything but STRONGly struck coins. I might be asking too much but I almost want to see individual hairs on his head.

Regardless, this one is a beauty.



the "fuzziness" is from the lighting. sometimes I can get it right other times not so much. I'm not sure if this is also caused by the lighting but I could see the details in the beard when looking at this coin.

I will have to look if thats a mark under the beard. it might be dog hair. (getting new siding on our house so all the dogs have been cooped up inside).

I will see if I can change the lighting and get a new picture depends on how much time I have tonight.
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 Posted 01/04/2012  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LincolnGuy to your friends list
Nice one! Only thing I see is a mark at 8 o'clock next to the rim on the obverse, and the rim hit on the rev... Other than that I dont see anything! 65BN
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 Posted 01/04/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
64BN or maybe 65BN if the rim hit isn't seen by the graders as a detriment overall, agree the non VDB in high grade are getting tough to find consistently. I'm betting PCI had this one too low? Unusual for them to undergrade, but it happens.
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