E Pluribus Unum / In God We Trust

Coinstar are you a Blackcat?! I was in the 5th RS

Now you know how I feel about IGWT being on coins.

Thank you teach.

Annyway,

barryg wrote:


wow! you really see America's use of that motto as "superstitious"?

augsburger, I think you have it all wrong and don't understand America's society and history. But you are entitled to your opinion.

I do agree with stewart's first excellent post. I think your interpretation is dead on. Just my opinion. Your second message? Wow. Enuff said.

And matchbox wrote:


wow. "Politicizes"? Really?

Actually the concept behind the answer to this is simple. But because it takes a little to explain, most people misunderstand the situation. The same thing happens concerning US history and how many modern people know little of true US history and how we got where we are today.

Speaking strictly in context of a a secular, non-religious viewpoint, mankind's makeup includes an ontological nature. Whether the focus of a this nature, by an individual, is on God, a god, gods, or man himself as being the "ultimate" - this is that individual's chosen set of beliefs/facts etc. which he uses as a basis of his opinions/beliefs/actions etc. This is a working definition of a "religion."

Notice the phrase is "freedom of religion" and not "freedom from religion." The founders of our country were smart enough to know the "from" condition is impossible since we are dealing with mankind. Its just that nowadays the media/pc group push the term "religion" as only meaning a bunch of traditions people go through to appease God - a very narrow and faulty definition of the word as used in our country's past. Ergo, the modern is not applicable to the situation concerning the motto.

Having the motto on our coinage, or removing it are, obviously, the only two options. If this country had been founded on humanism, the motto would not be there. If that same country claimed to have religious freedom (history shows does not happen), then the people who chose not to be humanists, etc. would be the ones feeling like they could say what your quotation does. No matter which way it happens, someone's belief system - whether they directly term it their "religion" or not, will not be in agreement.

The freedom of religion which you ARE given is the fact that your own belief system of choosing not to believe in God does not bring you imprisonment or even death.

Our coins and the details put upon them were carefully thought out by the people designing them at the time. They were all approved by people who were part of those societies. This truth continues until this very day.

No matter which way a person goes - aren't we glad we can live in a country where differing points of view are allowed? I have had contact with people in socialist countries who have suffered jail time just b/c they chose to believe in God. These same people are not allowed, by law, to hold a job legally until they renounce their choice. To us Americans it is hard to believe this kind of thing can go on. But this is b/c we grew up in a society which has the history which ours does - and the motto is just another product of that same country.

The official religion of the United States in Christianity.

Clarify one thing for me.....it was mentioned earlier that we should be careful of what we put on a coin because it might offend some minority. I was taught that a democracy was about the MAJORITY? The more time goes on the more I feel like this country feels obligated to cater to the minorities....maybe we should call this a Minocracy instead.