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Reserve Prices

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 Posted 01/18/2007  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I bid without regard to a Reserve since, like SE, I always bid my best the first time and walk away if it isn't enough. As a seller, I've had so-so luck with Reserves, but will use them again in the future to protect my investment. Indeed, there are situations where it might appear attractive to a buyer to see a coin thought worthy of a Reserve, especially from a reputable seller.
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 Posted 01/21/2007  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seth to your friends list
I will bid a Reserve, but just until I hit MY limit.

Selling, the time I will usually use it is if like items are going closse to or slightly below my cost. Then, it is just on gold bullion ($50 Eagle, etc.)

On the other hand, the huge Buy-It-Now scares me away as a buyer. When BIN is at or just above opening bid, why bother.
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 Posted 01/21/2007  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list
I usually ignore auctions with reserves unless it's a coin that I just can't live without (read: I'll pay stupid money to get it!!!) but as a seller (not much in coins yet) I do not use reserves. I tried it, and got very few bidders, even fewer "watchers" and rarely got bids up to the amount of my reserve. That made me change my selling strategy on PayBay. I have listed many items of stuff I used to collect, some quite valuable, some not, and since I started all of the auctions at $0.99 with no reserves, I got a lot of action, lots of bidders, watchers, and questions from overseas buyers. I also got more money than I expected on most of those items, less on some others, but it all evens out in the end.
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 Posted 01/22/2007  03:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Those of you who like reserves should be thankful you don't live Down Under. ebay Australia has been running a "let's abolish reserves and see what happens" experiment for a few years now.
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 Posted 01/22/2007  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mila_cent to your friends list
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What are your thoughts on Reserve prices? Do you bid on items with a reserve?
I don't understand the term 'reserve prices'. Please explain. Thanks.
Edited by Mila_cent
01/22/2007 04:06 am
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 Posted 01/22/2007  06:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
Mila_cent,
When you sell on ebay,you can list you coin with a reserve price.If that reserve price is not met in the auction,then the coin does not sell.It's a way to protect your investment so you don't have the possibility of loosing a lot of money on a rare or expensive coin.

True auction format is to list the item with no reserve and a low starting bid and let the coin sell itself.While that works very well most of the time it can be risky with a high value coin.

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 Posted 01/22/2007  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add booyah to your friends list
As a bidder, I avoid auctions with reserve...
I assume the seller is trying to catch a whale or does not trust the value of the coin. I see too many not sell.

Best way to make a good profit is to get many bidders (some of which become emotionally attached).
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 Posted 01/22/2007  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list
There were a couple of people on the CU forum who placed the same type coin on ebay with and without reserves. Almost every time, the coin with no reserve far outpreformed the with reserve coin.
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 Posted 01/22/2007  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Let's talk about reserves...

You have a coin that you want $500 for, that doesn't sell, lets look at the fees...

Open the bidding at .01 with a $500 reserve...

Insertion fee $4.80
Reserve fee   $5.00
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Total         $9.80


Open the bidding at $500, no reserve...

Insertion fee $4.80
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Total         $4.80


So let's review, both scenarios accomplish the exact same thing, your coin won't be sold for under $500.

But, if you used a reserve, you've just given Meg a $5 bonus for failing to find you a buyer.

Why people use reserves is beyond me, it's ebay's biggest scam. If you're afraid to start it low and let it run, just start the bidding in your comfort zone and keep some of your money. Meg doesn't need it, she's in her hot tub earning 20%.

Reserves are a huge money maker for ebay. They don't want reserve auctions to sell, and they usually don't. When they don't sell, they get to keep the fees, and the seller will usually relist it anyway, so they get even more money.

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 Posted 01/22/2007  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spider5689 to your friends list
I have used reserves and ended up not selling the item.

Like everyone else I generally avoid auctions with reserve prices.
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 Posted 01/22/2007  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list
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True auction format is to list the item with no reserve and a low starting bid and let the coin sell itself


I've been waiting a long time to ask this question:

Why is starting an auction at $0.99 a true auction? What makes that starting price any more of a true auction then starting at $25? Or $2500? And why not 1 cent?

I've been to live auctions and it would be a complete waste of everyone's time to start every item at 99 cents. I'm sure Lloyd's and Sotheby's concurr.

Just something that's been sticking in my craw.
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 Posted 01/22/2007  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Five4fighting to your friends list
I avoid them myself, I have never won a auction with a reserve price. And personally I don't understand why sellers use them specially with Bobby's example.
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 Posted 01/23/2007  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveG to your friends list

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True auction format is to list the item with no reserve and a low starting bid and let the coin sell itself


quote:
I've been waiting a long time to ask this question:

Why is starting an auction at $0.99 a true auction? What makes that starting price any more of a true auction then starting at $25? Or $2500? And why not 1 cent?


I used to go to a lot of Brick and Mortar estate type auctions. I never heard the term "True auction" there. I've only ever heard it associated with ebay. You hear the term "Absolute" auctions a lot at B&M houses. An absolute auction means the item has no reserve, and will sell at any price, even a penny. States have different rules. In some states, the seller can bid and buy back his item. In my state, the auctioneer and his employees can bid on items, so nothing good will EVER sell for a penny.

There are many-many styles of auctions. The style that ebay uses, being the highest bid at the end of a time frame was not invented by them. It's just as old, and as valid as the typical auction you think of with buyers holding up cards and screaming out prices. I go to one auction house that NEVER uses a reserve, they start the bidding at the minimum the seller agrees to let something go for. If it gets no bids, it goes back to the seller. Another place almost next door uses reserves. They don't tell you there is a reserve. If bidding does no exceed the reserve, the auctioneer announces the reserve, and asks for bids. If no one exceeds the reserve, it goes back to the seller.

Bottom line, there are a multitude of auction formats, all of which are valid. I'm not sure if the term "True" auction is a valid descriptor, or just slang from ebay users.
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 Posted 01/23/2007  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seth to your friends list
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Texasmick wrote:
I've been waiting a long time to ask this question:

Why is starting an auction at $0.99 a true auction? What makes that starting price any more of a true auction then starting at $25? Or $2500? And why not 1 cent?

I've been to live auctions and it would be a complete waste of everyone's time to start every item at 99 cents. I'm sure Lloyd's and Sotheby's concurr.
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Money...fees.

ebay smacks the listing fee of a dollar or more big time. The .99 is chicken feed. Nothing keeps anybody from putting, say, $300 on a .99. It won't bid it up until necessary.

Also, some bidders like the low amount so they can get "in it" on a 3 or 5-day auction, then see where it goes without bidding it up.

(I usually post a one or three day auction, though I REALLY would like to have a two event--the weekend!)
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 Posted 01/25/2007  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bboudrot to your friends list
Reserve prices are only good if they are low.
Edited by bboudrot
01/25/2007 1:39 pm
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