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 Posted 03/05/2012  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
This guy, yeah.
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 Posted 03/05/2012  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverEye to your friends list
I've seen enough Antiques Roadshow episodes to know that I never clean anything older than myself.
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 Posted 03/05/2012  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
Oh, this post needs a "feel-good" reply.
Mother of sister's best friend wanted help with a few coins.
And I said, "Sure, but do not clean them."
Sister added, "Listen to Matthew: DO NOT CLEAN THEM!"
Sister has been educated, for several years now, as to what we have. Although she has no interest in coins she IS interested in what I am doing with them.
Mom did as she was told.

Well, nothing special.
Kennedy halves I separated into silver and non-silver. Told her, "Take these to the bank."
Sold the silver.
Told her to give the few Indian Head cents to her grandsons.
Kept a few of the odd European coins from the turn of the century.

But OH!
There, in this unremarkable mix of ordinary coins, was an 1864 2 Cent piece in AT LEAST very fine if not higher condition!

And I shudder to think, after reading this post, what my reaction would have been if she had disregarded our advice and cleaned the coins.

She was happy with the money that I gave here.
And I just LOVE that 2 Cent piece.

Just WHY is our opinion sought if the questioner just goes ahead and does what he/she does?
Because ...

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 Posted 03/20/2012  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texaskitty to your friends list
So happy to have discovered this site before I decided to spruce up the silver before heading to the gold and silver exchange.

Two big mistakes avoided just by a little surfing.

Makes me a bit nervous to touch them now though, who knows what other rules there are?

But I am sure Mom and Dad didn't wear white gloves or anything.

Will be interesting once I get a list of what I have.

And now know more than I did 10 hours ago.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
It is good to see that you are taking your time and educating yourself before taking any chances.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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What part of DO NOT CLEAN didn't he get!
I still remember that guy who polished that IHC--despite a whole page of "don't do it!" A lot of learning comes the hard way.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheDanMan to your friends list
Let me ask your opinion on this: Is the reason cleaning a coin is bad is because it's not the coins natural beauty? For example, you may have an uncleaned 1886 Shield nickel in EF or AU shape; does that give collectors satisfaction knowing that this is the coins natural "cleaned" state since the coin was first minted?
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 Posted 03/20/2012  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list

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I still remember that guy who polished that IHC--despite a whole page of "don't do it!"


Every year I remember that thread and read it just for kicks!

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=54418
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 Posted 03/20/2012  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list
Dan - It goes beyond what it "looks like." Cleaning and polishing coins will put very small groves into the coin and usually seen under a loupe. Simply put, it REMOVES METAL. Not to mention the natural luster.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Not to mention destroys value and eliminates half the collectors who want it now.
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 Posted 03/20/2012  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list
It also makes it look somewhat "fake" after its cleaned, gives it an artificial look IMO.
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 Posted 03/21/2012  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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Let me ask your opinion on this: Is the reason cleaning a coin is bad is because it's not the coins natural beauty? For example, you may have an uncleaned 1886 Shield nickel in EF or AU shape; does that give collectors satisfaction knowing that this is the coins natural "cleaned" state since the coin was first minted?

There are several reasons for not cleaning coins.
One of the biggest reasons is most contaminates on a coin have mixed with the original metal and removing that, removes some of the coin. In some instances such cleaning will leave pot marks, scratches, etc. much more visible.
In many instances a small amount of such contaminates helps preserve the coin. Sort of like a shield against further distruction. That brownish color on Copper coins is actually Copper Oxide and slows down further attacks from the invironment.
Most collectors of anything old would like to see it as it was first made or as close to that as possible. This is why Hot Wheel Car collectors prefer the car in the original packaging. Same with mose really old dolls, trains and other toys. Old furnature too should not be cleaned, washed, sanded down since that too does the same thing, takes away part of the original item.
In some instances people replate coins in an attempt to make them look new. Usually this is so obvious and only ruins the coins natural originality.
Some people polish coins with auto polishes, buffing wheels, dip in jewlery cleaners, wire brush them and all to make them shine. Those are usually people that just don't know anything about real Numismatics.
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 Posted 03/21/2012  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I think it has been covered well. The key thing to remember is that cleaning often damages the coin in some way, usually by removing metal or leaving abrasion marks.
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 Posted 03/21/2012  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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Every year I remember that thread and read it just for kicks!
You're a sick man, I kind of freak out every time I read "I've used a Dremel...and a metal wheel brush attachment." And the guy seems so satisfied with himself.


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Let me ask your opinion on this: Is the reason cleaning a coin is bad is because it's not the coins natural beauty?
Another way to look at cleaning is that it doesn't restore a coin to it's original appearance--it only removes the original surface. The value is in the original coin, whether that's dark brown bronze or bright UNC.
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