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Based on your pictures there is no way to tell if they are real or not. At those prices I would want to make sure they are legit before I would buy them.
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New Member
 Lebanon
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Thank you for the replies guys,
I took the pictures myself, the seller has a small antiques shop in my country, doesn't seem to know too much about coins.
I took the owl coin to a jeweler next door and it weighed 16.82 grams, not sure if that's how much it should weigh because I still don't know what year it belongs to, there have been several coins with owls and from what I've seen each with a different price, can anyone help me with the ID on the correct year?
I also can't seem to find the other coins, although I will edit the first one as I have the reverse duplicated without the front side
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New Member
 Lebanon
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Edited the pictures, can anyone give me an ID on the coins?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The third coin with Tyche closely resembles this bronze from Tyre:  Attribution of this coin: Phoenicia, Tyre. Dated Year 238, 112/113 AD. AE 19mm (5.39 gm). The first coin resembles a tetradrachm from Thasos, Thrace. One side depicts Dionysos, the other Heracles. It's another relatively expensive coin that needs a guarantee of authenticity.  Attribution: ISLANDS of THRACE, Thasos - tetradrachm 168-148 BC. Wreathed head of young Dionysos right)(Herakles standing facing, head left, holding club, lion skin draped over left arm, M to inner left. 32 mm, 16,90 gram. Quote: I took the owl coin to a jeweler next door and it weighed 16.82 grams, not sure if that's how much it should weigh because I still don't know what year it belongs to, there have been several coins with owls and from what I've seen each with a different price, can anyone help me with the ID on the correct year? OK, I better understand about the pictures now--I'm sorry to jump to conclusions.  The weight is a little low, but within the range of coins I've seen. Dating of these is done by style, and based on what I can see--the date might be 431-393 BC. It's still hard to say much about the coin from the pictures.
Edited by DVCollector 03/13/2012 5:01 pm
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New Member
 Lebanon
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I would really like to buy the Tetradrachm, and I think I will stick to silver coins once I start collecting; but there are way too many forgeries out there for me to know whether or not it is real. I will go back tomorrow and get high quality pictures.
Thank you all for your time & help!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Coin #4 is similar to this one. But I can't be sure about the Emperor. There are several with this type reverse. Severus Alexander, 13 March 222 - March 235 A.D. Caesarea, Cappadocia Mount Argaeus on altar. 
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New Member
 Lebanon
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New Member
 Lebanon
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New Member
 Lebanon
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Ahh this is too hard, I don't know how you guys do it! For the 4th coin I know that the Obv. is Laureate and the Rev. is Liberalitas but I can't pinpoint the exact coin all the reverses I find have "LIBERALITAS VIIII" on the back none with Liberalitas AVGV like the one on this coin :(
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The large pictures of the first coin help a lot--thanks!  This coin could be one of three possibilities: a genuine tetradrachm struck in Athens, a contemporary "imitative" type, struck in another region where these coins circulated, or a modern copy. While I'm not an expert on these coins, but after studying numerous examples, I believe these coins shared some stylistic rules. Today, we don't think of art as having "rules," but in the ancient world of Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia etc. these rules were very important to their identity, culture and religion. Below, I've compared a few possible "rules" I've observed on every Athens owl tetradrachm I've seen to details on your coin. Firstly, compare where the crest meets the helmet on the example I've provided below. You will see that every strand of the crest begins with a "bead"--this is true for every Athens tetradrachm I've seen. On your coin, these beads are absent. Secondly, take a look at how the olive sprig "floats" on the reverse of your coin. On coins I've seen, a single stem continues to the edge of the flan, even on the well-centered example I've provided below. Based on what I can see, I don't believe this coin was struck in Athens. It's not so much the rougher details as this varies a lot from coin to coin, but it's the omission of specific stylistic elements that has me concerned. Another option may be the coin is an "imitative" owl tetradrachm, struck in ancient times by another city to take advantage of their popularity for trade. Again, I lack the expertise to tell an imitative coin from a modern copy. I would strongly suggest posting the coin to this forum and get a more qualified opinion than mine.  Good luck! 
Edited by DVCollector 03/14/2012 3:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great observations DV! 
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 Australia
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I'm pretty sure the "LIBERALITAS" coin is a fake. The design is that of a silver denarius of Geta as Caesar, but that coin clearly isn't silver. Frankly, I'd be worried about the authenticity of all of them. Lebanon is not a country where genuine ancient coins are readily obtainable legally.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
 Lebanon
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I'm afraid you guys are right, I'll just have to buy online... Thank you very much for the feedback
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Roy777, I just did a lot of research before buying an Athens Tetradrachm. If you would like resources or a list of recommended sellers, send me an email by clicking this icon  above my post. 
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New Member
 Lebanon
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Thank you very much DVCollector, you are an asset to this community! Sadly I can't use the private messaging system because I'm still a new member, if you can send me a message then I will reply to it, or inbox me your email address and we can talk there.
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