Is This Coin Real?

A legitimate dealer will not touch Chinese fakes with a 10 foot pole, there is absolutely no doubt at all that none of them are genuine nor do they contain any silver.


You would have had a hard time finding any information for some of them because a few of them are what is known as a "fantasy piece", i.e. they have never actually been produced as an official coin or pattern.

Another new member posted the Goloid Morgan Metric and SeatedNut posted a really comparison to an authentic one, https://goccf.com/t/113940. It is different than the one you just posted - guess this guy is getting around.

By 1796, I meant the draped bust of course. The 1796 flowing hair coin can be called a forgery right away, as no flowing hair coins were issued in that year .

thanks coinskelly , I really admire the talent I still can not see the difference .

maybe the guy only had fakes , but the person who paid my husband with these told him that the guy had gold coins too so ,and he died because of a medical mistake and the family got a lot of money , I don't know maybe it was just a story so he would take the coins instead of money

The 17XX fakes were not even minted with the technology that was available in the 18th and early 19th centuries. Coins from that era were minted in open collar screw presses so they do not have a defined rim like a modern coin. A collar is a metal plate with a hole placed between the two dies, it precisely defines the diameter of a coin and applies the reeding when a coin is struck. It is also commonly known as the "third die". "Open collar" simply means that a collar was not used when the the coin was struck so the edges of a coin struck in an open collar vs. a coin struck in a collar will look completely different. Instead of reeding, the dollar and half dollar Bust coins will have lettered edges, either FIFTY CENTS OR HALF A DOLLAR or HUNDRED CENTS ONE DOLLAR OR UNIT.

The 1901 Morgan dollar has a CC mintmark under the eagle but the Carson City(NV) Mint struck its last coins in 1893. The 1847 Seated Liberty dollar has two problems, a CC mintmark(Carson City did not strike its first coins until 1870) and the IN GOD WE TRUST banner over the eagle but the motto was not used on that denomination until 1866(IGWT did not appear on ANY coin until 1864- the Two Cent Piece was the first). The 1851 "dollar" is the worst of the bunch, it roughly copies the obverse of an Indian Head Cent(a coin that did not exist until 1859) but combines it with the reverse of a Liberty gold dollar.

The Trade and Goloid patterns have issues as well but those are fairly obscure to begin with so most people would not even recognize a genuine one. Of all the fakes, the 1927 Peace dollars are probably the closest in appearance to a genuine coin but I can still definitively conclude that it is not genuine based on the appearance. Ironically, that is not a particularly rare or valuable coin as you can purchase an Almost Uncirculated(very light wear) 1927 Peace dollar for ~$50.

Aye to re-iterate what has been said, all of these are counterfeits.

As someone who is a collector of counterfeits, I can tell you the most you'll probably get for any of those is about $2-3, and to get that price you'll need to find someone who collect them. :-)