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No compelling evidence that it's an overdate on that link Australian Coin posted. Looks like doubling or perhaps a re-touched die. On one image you can clearly see doubling (or perhaps re-touching) on the end of the bottom loop of the 3. There's no 2 under there IMHO.  |
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Formerly nancyc
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Does anyone have a copy of the CAB for March 2007?
There's supposed to be an article in it about this subject, I believe written by Ian McConnelly. I certainly know he is not infallible, in fact I often notice mistakes in his articles, but it would be good to read what he had to say about it.
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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There was talk on Stamp/Coin Forums in 2008/9 on the 33 half overdate that I read but for some reason they are not showing(except for link already posted) on Google.Interesting to see where it all leads long term because it is(IMO) a slightly different coin.
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I have the March 2007 CAB in front of me now. There's no compelling images or evidence. And the issue of the doubling on the bottom loop of the 3 is completely ignored. Seems like someone decided it was a 3 over 2 (who supplied the information to Ian for the article) while others believe it's a 3 over 3 or re-touched die.
By the way the March 2007 article is a DIRECT re-print of an article published in CAB in July 2003.
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03/25/2012 03:21 am
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Further to this I can find only one other reference to a supposed 1933/2 overdate half penny overdate in the published ACR's and CAB's since 1964. This was in the January 1965 edition where the editor John Dean says:
"one coin that can lay claim to being an overdate - although this is another we are not totally convinced about - is a 1933 halfpenny which may be over a 1932 date."...."The only evidence is at the beginning of the last '3'; there is no suggestion of the downstroke of a '2' under the '3'".
Hardly compelling evidence of the "overdate" actually being such.
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 I would like the idea of a 1933/32 halfpenny, but I just don't see it in the photos.  Compared to the quite obvious 1933/32 penny, where an overlay of a 2 predicts what is protruding from the 3.  |
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Even a normal 1933 ½d shows a distinct difference between the two 3's where the 2nd 3 is somewhat squared off at the start of its top curl whereas the 1st 3 is rounded.  Just to emphasise this, here are closer-ups of the 2nd 3 from three different ½d's.    Now the following are the corresponding views from the supposed 1933/32 overdate ½d.   Clearly, something different is happening at the start of the top curl of this 2nd 3 but whether this is the result of an overdate on a 1932 die or an attempt to re-cut a 1933 die I am not able to determine. |
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Formerly nancyc
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Very interesting!!  life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Clearly, something different is happening at the start of the top curl of this 2nd 3 but whether this is the result of an overdate on a 1932 die or an attempt to re-cut a 1933 die I am not able to determine. Thats how I see it,the final 3 on a small percentage of coins is defintely different for some reason but not convinced an overdate is one of them. Does anyone have an opinion of this 33 half?,it seems different to my other coins especially the centre of the 3.Sorry ,a bit small will have another go at posting scan.   Edited by Basil
04/17/2012 01:52 am
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Valued Member
Australia
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Apart from the dent that the centre stroke of the 3 has received, this looks like a normal 2nd 3 such as those I've given examples of above. The proposed 1933/32 overdate coins have 2nd 3's with stuff poking out from the squared-off section at the first part of where you would usually hand write a 3. I've outlined the bit I'm talking about in yellow in the images below.   |
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Just had a look at my 1933 pennies and close up of the date is below   as you can see, the top of the second '3' is different to the first '3' |
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Apart from the dent that the centre stroke of the 3 has received, this looks like a normal 2nd 3 such as those I've given examples of above. Thanks for taking the time to reply,sorry about the scan its the best I can do but looking closely at the centre stroke it appears not to be formed properly,i don't think its a dent but you may be right.I'm wasting a lot of time on this ,I've got over 30 1933 halves but I notice on ebay tonight one for $16.95,BiN,so not exactly a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow but never-the-less interesting. |
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Yes the two 3's in the date are different for all 1933 halfpennies but a small number of 2nd 3's look like they've been multiply stamped & it's those few that have given rise to the overdate conjecture. Unfortunately, nobody has yet been able to determine if the mess at the top of those few 2nd 3's is produced by an overdated die or by some other cause.
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as you can see, the top of the second '3' is different to the first '3' Yeah,as previously posted the 33 Penny overdate is a completely different animal to the half,there are several different types of overdates with the Penny and are easily ID.The jury is still out on the half overdate,probaly just a die flaw but it will be interesting to see if its confirmed or buried again this time around. |
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