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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Sorry but strike DOES factor into the grade of Morgans. C'mon, you'll never get a MS64 and above grade with a FLAT STRIKE period. And if you do, try and sell that coin!
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Pillar of the Community
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i dont think he ment it like that tho , but I cant speak for dave700x ..
I kinda understand what he is saying tho , with this coin . the strike isn't a playing factor due to the contact marks all over it .. But thats just my take on his reply .. doubt he would have said that if it was free of bag marks and had a weak strike .. but I honestly dono lol ..
thanks for the info tho .. now I know ..
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm telling you strait, strike is 20% at least and more so on certain Morgans. You could have a coin with frosty luster, minimal bags, and if the ear is gone and there is no breast feathers all you will get is MS63.
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Valued Member
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Personally, I would grade it at MS63. However, I'd say PCGS probably gave this an MS64.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Glad I could strike up a little controversy over grading Morgans. Everyone has seen Morgans in slabs that are as flat as pancakes with details no better than an XF coin at best, save the luster. I'm just sayin' there are coins with the same numerical number on the holder that are miles apart in strike quality. I for one, do not agree with this and believe strike should be as much a factor in the grade of a coin as the surface qualities retained after strike.
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Pillar of the Community
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you said "typically the strike does not factor into the grade" ...This is blatently false! Also in the post above you say ""slabs as flat as pancakes with details no better than an XF at best, save the luster" ...sorry, XF coins really have no luster so to speak of, and are of no comparison at all to an MS63 coins. Comparing apples to oranges. Your last sentence you say "strike should be as much a factor in the grade of a coin as the surface qualities retained after strike" STRIKE IS A MAJOR FACTOR in grading coins.....Don't mean to come across harsh, but, there is a lot of misinformation posted on this website! Good luck!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Calm down 1893 S. He was talking about MS coins that exhibit XF details because of a poor strike. And yes, the strike does factor into the grade on coins VF and above. Most coins below VF, it's not a factor. 1922 No D LWC is a one big exception and there are many others. Anyways, back to the coin at hand. It does have a very good strike for an 1884-O Morgan.  The luster appears to be above average also. A solid 63. There is very little price difference for the date between 63 and 64 so a 64 would be no surprise. Shrinking the photos down to 50% makes it look 63+ to me. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Couple People got this one right .!! NLP - Dave700x - 1893s - enoilgam So close and PCGS went the other direction lol .. you were one point high .. Ill post the slab in a second .. Thanks for everyones time here , and for the learning material .. Got Some GREAT eye's on here ..  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I didn't get a chance to post, but I was thinking MS-62 due to the hits on the cheek. It is nicely struck for a New Orleans - breast feathers have some decent detail and it's not as weak above the ear as some.
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Pillar of the Community
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Sorry I did jump the gun alittle earlier then I figured I would be on ...
:-) , thanks for your opinion and time buddy .!! I appreciate it ..
Phil \m/
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Pillar of the Community
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I knew it was a 62. Very easy to tell from the flat strike. They'll never grade 63 with an ear like that! The 62 grade had nothing to do with the bags!
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Pillar of the Community
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Also, take a look at Benprickels 5 coins he posted a month ago. almost everyone graded them 64 or 65, I said 63. They all graded 63. The reason, crappy strikes! I don't say this to pat myself on the shoulder, only as advice. Strike counts even with no facial Bags...Cheers fellow CCF members!
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