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Speculation On What The New Penny And Nickel Will Be Made Of

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 Posted 05/18/2012  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
The US dime has no zinc. It is copper-nickel clad.
http://www.usmint.gov/about_the_min...ecifications

The politicians want to replace the copper with steel, like what Canada has been doing for many years.
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05/18/2012 3:40 pm
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 Posted 05/18/2012  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MercuryDime to your friends list
@JSH, I'm not sure what he means either, and ironically, personally in my area, dimes are the smallest denomination that can actually buy something [a single penny candy, yes, penny].
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 Posted 05/19/2012  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvandemark to your friends list
I don't foresee the penny going anywhere anytime soon. If they got rid of the penny, the government would have to rewrite a good chunk of the tax code. Not to mention state sales taxes would have to either go up to 10% or drop down to 5%. Do either and you lose. At 10% the villagers will be at the gates to the governor's mansion with torches and pitchforks. Drop it and the state loses money in visible arterial spurts.
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05/19/2012 6:53 pm
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 Posted 05/20/2012  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I don't foresee the penny going anywhere anytime soon. If they got rid of the penny, the government would have to rewrite a good chunk of the tax code. Not to mention state sales taxes would have to either go up to 10% or drop down to 5%.

Absolute bull.

Many states have sales tax rates like 6.125%. We've NEVER had a 0.125¢ piece, but they didn't jump from 5 to 10¢.

Property taxes are often numbers like 3.9 mills. There is legally a mill ($0.001), but no 0.9 mill.

If they had any sense, they'd eliminate the cent, nickel and dime. Paper and plastic payments would continue to the cent, coin transactions would be rounded.

I got a nice Siam chicken curry lunch for the animal and I (one of her favorites). The total was $7.77, I handed over a ten and got back two ones and a quarter. She could have given exact change, but why bother?
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 Posted 05/20/2012  06:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add n9jig to your friends list
I have noticed more and more establishments not bothering with pennies these days, giving back change to the nearest nickel. A McDonald's near me has given me change without pennies several times and a few other places have as well.

I think it is merely a matter of time before they eliminate the cent and it won't be long after that the nickel as well.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MercuryDime to your friends list
@wquinn pure steel would be even cheaper today, that'd be quite a retro trip to 1943! As long as nobody confused them with dimes [i.e was careful] and understood the copper was a necessary victim of budget cuts and the coin itself would eventually follow.

Also, the problem with getting rid of the nickel guys, is the quarter...

going from $ .10 to $ .25 is problematic because a 5 cent difference still exists in one coin, and remember, the Canadian nickel only costs about 3 cents to produce [it is a little thinner though] so it can still be profitable for the time being.
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05/22/2012 11:01 pm
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 Posted 05/22/2012  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MercuryDime to your friends list
The last Canadian pennies had a cost of about 1.6 cents [with plating] in both nearly pure steel and nearly pure zinc composition . Up here we were especially cheap, our zinc version was 98.4% zinc, 1.6% and the steel one was %94 steel, %1.5 nickel [as a plating layer], and %4.5 [as surface plating layer].

Conceivably, a pure steel penny, using cheap steel,with no plating perhaps could cost under 1.3 cents.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MercuryDime to your friends list
I mean, I think steel costs about $15 a pound.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list
Steel is about $0.40 / pound right now. It varies based on the alloy and form (wire, plate, tube, etc)
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 Posted 05/23/2012  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
And cheap steel with no plating would have a real problem with rust.

And say steel is 40 cents a pound. one pound of steel will make 165 cents. So the material cost per cent would be .24 cents per coin. So with the 2 cent per coin manufacturing cost that would make each cent cost 2.24 cents. A savings of .16 cents per coin over the current cost of 2.4 cents apiece and still a loss of 1.24 cents per coin. I don't see steel as being an answer.

As I have said before the ONLY way to make the cent profitable again would be to sell advertising space on them. A business could look at it this way. For $10M their ad is on a billion coins that would be in consumers pockets for the next ten to twenty years. Doesn't sound like a bad deal.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MercuryDime to your friends list
@Conder101 Rust won't be a problem with stainless steel, which contrary to popular belief actually does rust, but so negligibly it's irrelevant.

Yes, the cost of minting the coin is still over a penny, but I don't see the US government getting rid of them just yet, so slowing the bleeding looks like the solution.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Rust won't be a problem with stainless steel...
By using stainless steel, you will have actually increased the cost of the cent.

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 Posted 05/24/2012  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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@Conder101 Rust won't be a problem with stainless steel,

I said cheap steel. Stainless steel wouldn't have a rust problem but would probably cost more than the zinc they make them out of now. (Not to mention that I believe most stainless steels have a high nickel content. Nickel ain't cheap.) Stainless steels also have 10% or more chromium content, and chromium is around $6 a lb.
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05/24/2012 10:53 am
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 Posted 05/24/2012  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenRingold to your friends list
Evidently no one likes the real answer. Zinc is already in the coin, they just have to stop plating it. If you want to see how to make coinage on the cheap look at history. During World War II a lot of countries were occupied by the greedy Axis powers and their coinage was made of........wait for it..........ZINC! Check out the coins from Bohemia & Moravia, France, French-Indo China, Netherlands, Serbia, Tunisia, and heck even Germany itself to name a few. Japan mixed it with tin, and we plated steel with it. The only other material that I can think of is pop cans, I mean aluminum. I haven't done the math on that, but even that is probably too expensive.
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 Posted 05/24/2012  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
The bottom line is the fabrication costs more than face value, I don't care if you use recycled toilet paper. The only thing left is electrons, or computer transfers of funds.
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