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Bedrock of the Community
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I think this has been brought up in the past and most said it is a stupid thing to put in a collection. Nit sure but I think Whitman is responsible for making many coins part of a collection since they put them in their Albums. Most of my Albums are all Whitman and their are slots for the 22 plain, all of the 60's, all of the 70S's, all of the 82's, 55 & 72 & 95 Doubled Dies, separate slots for proofs starting in the 70area. And if you look in the latest Red Book there are more and more error coins listed so I would imagine in the near future all their Albums will also have slots for every error coin ever made. Although Dansco is sort of the Album of this forum, Whitman is still one of the most popular Publishers for coins so whatever they do is basically copied, right or wrong. Then it is up to the individual whether they want to abide by whatever Whitman says or just leave empty slots in their Albums. Yes, it is only an error coin but then again, so are most of the others mentioned above. I know that many are actually varieties such as the different 82's, but why make Albums for all those? Why not just one date, one mint per coin? OR just really get nutty and have slots for every error coin ever minted? And speaking of Pluto. If Pluto is still to be considered a planet, then what do you call Hades, the one a bit farther out and it is bigger than Pluto? 
Edited by just carl 05/22/2012 08:49 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm drooling far more over your other 20's coins than that 22 plain! NICE!
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Pillar of the Community
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I think it doesn't belong in the basic Lincoln set collection, since it is an error coin. I never plan to buy one. They are just way over priced and the same thing has been done with other error coins, like the 3 legged Buffalo nickel.
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Quote: Pluto is still to be considered a planet, then what do you call Hades, the one a bit farther out and it is bigger than Pluto? You mean Eris, the dwarf planet whose discovery caused Pluto's ultimate demotion.
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I've never thought Pluto should have been classified as a planet; it's always been merely a really, really big comet to my mind.
And since the 1922-plain is "merely" a worn/filled die, then it isn't really part of a date-mintmark set, any more than a die crack belongs there.
Nor do I feel a "psychological gap" that's more significant than any other gaps. There were no 1 cent coins minted in Philadelphia in 1922. There weren't any made in San Francisco that year, either, nor any Denver-mintmarked coins the following year. They're all real, actual gaps in the series that cannot be filled because they don't exist. A responsible album manufacturer wouldn't continue to include spaces for any of these error/variety coins in a date-mintmark set album.
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I don't think that any error coin, die variety, or substandard strike (such as the plain), should be included in any album. I don't appreciate that the hole is in my Dansco, but what can you do...
I would draw the line at only varities that are beyond just die prep, like the VDBs and small dates, as well as the planchet changes (copper to zinc or silver to clad).
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Pillar of the Community
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You know what cheezes me off about the albums: Inconsistency.
The JFK album has holes for the SMS and business strikes, but doesn't have the holes for the 2005-2010 satins. Then NONE of the other modern books have holes for the SMS coins, or the satins.
Make up your mind! Put the SMS and satins in EVERY modern album, or leave them out of every modern album. Same with the 79,80,81 proof mint mark varieties. Put ALL of them, or leave them out. Don't put in 1 or 2 when that series had 3, for example. The nickels or the JFKs don't have holes for the satin proofs... Those SHOULD be there before some of the others.
If you go with an album, you are at the maker's mercy on what you call complete. Otherwise you have to have some in the album and some out, or you have to buy extra pages and keep them out of order, which is a turn off as well.
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United States
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 Well said brother Ratio! Can I get an AMEN?!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: You mean Eris, the dwarf planet whose discovery caused Pluto's ultimate demotion. OOppps. True. Hades was the name of Pluto once. And Eris actually comes within the orbit of Pluto at times. As to the 22 plain. All of those typs of error coins should be left out of Albums. Not sure about some of the coins that are actually highly improbable though. In an old Whitman I have a slot for the 1913 Liberty Head Nickel. Also, in an Album a slot for the 1894S Liberty Head Dime. With the Mercury dime, is a 42/41 and 42D/41 really a normal coin? Nor really an error but what do you call those over dates? Just as the 22 Plain is required to fill holes, many Albums require those but should they?  This is in my Album but should it be?
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I think that (popular) Errors and Varieties are included because enough people demanded that they be included. Not saying it was the right call for the long term, but it probably made sense (and a significant number of people happy) at the time.
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Valued Member
United States
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I don't like having a hole for the 22-plain in my Dansco either, but I've come to terms with it. Who knows, maybe I'll acquire one some day, but it won't be anytime soon unless I find one in pocket change  . Every so often I play with the idea of taking a label maker and relabeling my Dansco pages to get rid of irritating inconsistencies like that. Never have gone through with it, though. Poor little Pluto. I hated to see it get demoted but it really was inevitable after the discovery of Eris and all those other Trans-Neptunian objects out there. There is precedent, though - Ceres was once considered to be a planet also.
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Pillar of the Community
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My '22-plain hole is going to have an unstruck bronze planchet. Sure, I can't say for sure that it's a 1922, but it's definitely plain. And I can guarantee it wasn't struck by a die for any other date, and it wasn't struck by any of the normal 1922-D dies.
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Pillar of the Community
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Just for the record: I still consider Pluto a planet, especially since it does have a moon. Then, I guess that it follows that I believe that the 1922 (Plain) belongs in the set. However, the DDO's are optional in my mind.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: So in saying that ask yourself "Does it belong on my collection?"
Not until I own one. 
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All I'm saying is, "My Very Eccentric Mother Just Sat Upon Nine Pizzas" simply does not work without the Pizzas.
I don't use albums (I use the 2x2 cardboard flips), so for me this is kind of a moot point, but doesn't it seem like a better solution would be an album that lists only "normal strikes" (e.g. 1955-D, 1945, 1958-S, etc.), and at its end includes a removable page: "Error And Variety Strikes," with all the holes blank but featuring a small strip you can write on like the bottoms of old Polaroid pictures (e.g. so it's up to you to label your 55 double-die, 1957/8, etc., assuming you want them labeled)? Those who want it have the nice page to show off their shinies, those who don't can take it right out.
There, problem solved.
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