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1966 P KHD

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 Posted 05/27/2012  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
I see a normal coin.
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 Posted 05/27/2012  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
am I wrong but this looks well not normal I have another KHD same year
& mint that doesn't look like this
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 Posted 05/27/2012  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
So someone please tell me what the new pics are about. There are a lot more but I think these are good enough for now. I new one day I would use that old microscope again!
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 Posted 05/27/2012  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
I see Machine Doubling not DDO. Machine Doubling is where the coin was struck a second time and the coin shifted slightly when struck the second time
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 Posted 05/27/2012  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DrDon to your friends list
Actually unholyroller,the coin is not struck a second time." Machine Doubling" happens when the die is coming of the coin and shifts slightly.You are also right about the coin,it is MD.
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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
1. The coin is a normal coin. It shows what could be minor signs of Machine Doubling.

2. Unholyroller, DrDon - both of you are correct and both of you are wrong:

Machine Doubling has at least four different causes, only two of which are expressed so far in this thread:

1. A coin can be struck twice, shifting slightly inside the collar between strikes. This is actually a very minor form of a double struck coin. Nice, wide naked eye examples bring a nice premium. The way to tell this form of Machine Doubling clearly from the others is that the obverse AND the reverse are equally affected. This is referred to as Strike Doubling.

2. A coin can be struck by a die which is fit into the press loosely. The die bounces on the coin shifting in position slightly between bounces. This also causes doubling that looks nearly identical to the type described above, but generally only affects one side of the coin - and that's usually the obverse. This form is referred to as die chatter.

3. A coin can be ejected before it comes completely off the die causing the details to be nudged to one side, leaving the impression of doubling. This is eject doubling, also a form of Machine Doubling.

4. Die wear and abrasion from excessive strikes can cause the edges of the devices toward the rim to chip away leaving the impression of doubling. Rather than this being the malfunction of the machine, it is actually on the die itself, which in my mind removes it a little from the rest, but nevertheless is still considered a form of Machine Doubling. This is most often called die-deterioration doubling.

So - both of you were right - you gave one form of Machine Doubling and described it more or less accurately.

Both of you were wrong - in considering only one form of doubling as the only form called Machine Doubling.

The commonality between these is that there is no premium value for any of them, they are all expected parts of running a coining press, NONE of them are doubled dies or die varieties in any stretch of the imagination, and all of them are very common.
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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papatony to your friends list

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I am going to let the coin talk for it's self
That was the original post with the top pic being the only pic. It was hard to see anything just on that.
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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
So I learn yet some more. Thank you Coppercoins for the interesting (if a bit long)lesson in the different types of Machine Doubling
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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
Oh and papatony there were other pics of this coin posted but I removed them in the interest of not having to many pictures.
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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
Well its either the 40 year old plastic microscope or not being able to get a decent close up with my camera set up. Any suggestions are welcome. I have an older but decent digital cam that does 8 mega pixels and has a good mack and a bunch of different power lenses. So far I have not come up with a good system
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 Posted 05/28/2012  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
Sorry my lessons are a bit long. I only type what's necessary to get the point across. I'll skip every other word next time and see if anyone can make sense of it. At least it will only be half as long.
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 Posted 05/28/2012  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
No I dont want to play any word guessing games I guess enough as it is. just so you no copper or is it mr coins lol I did learn something from your long lesson. that is after all the point is it not
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 Posted 05/28/2012  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list
this page explains different types of doubling: http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/...Doubling.htm

I believe when you find or buy your first true doubled die, then you will have a much easier time identifying the valuable doubled dies.
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 Posted 05/29/2012  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mudd1761 to your friends list
chzman When I come across my first DD it will be from my searching I will never buy a error coin I want to find it myself. its the thrill of the find after the hunt that I am after
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 Posted 05/29/2012  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chzman to your friends list
The thrill is what its all about, I found my first DD a few weeks ago, it feels different than buying them thats for sure. I believe my area is ripe for picking, I just started roll searching last month and have found some really cool stuff in very little time.
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