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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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definitely not silver. Absolutely no need to plate a silver core with copper and finish it some more on top of that
brass is a copper-zinc alloy. by varying the amount of zinc versus copper, you can get brass that is more silvery than yellowish.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
This piece is NOT a coin. It is a commercial fantasy piece. Best sold in flea markets, along with the trained fleas.
The Mighty Angelo would have been proud!
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Valued Member
United States
88 Posts |
Yes a commercial fantasy piece. It was very probably silver because obscure fantasies are seldom faked. The slightly heavy weight is not an issue as it can be very difficult to punch and finish coin blanks to exact weight. Most legitimate makers will let them be a little heavy just to be sure they're not light. It was probably done in quite low quantities and WAS probably worth a great deal more than many other silver bullion coins of the same weight, simply due to scarcity and an interesting theme. Do you know the diamagnetic test? It is non-destructive. It works best on bars but will work on rounds if you have a small strong rare-earth magnet. Silver is not ferromagnetic, but it is diamagnetic. If you let the magnet slide down the slanted surface of the coin it will be very markedly slowed in its travel.
Edited by tmaring 07/01/2012 10:44 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3670 Posts |
Get an acid kit ALL, and simple knife sharping stone....
Take the coin and rub the rim until a nice silver mark is there, and drop some 18k acid on it and hope it turns a bluish silver color....
Best part is it does not damage the coin at all. As I would NEVER do that again as it destroyed that coin, real or fake....
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
You CAN, if you want to, track the products of acid testing for this coin, with a telescope! METHOD: 1.) Reduce all of the 'coin' to filings, 2.) pour them into a narrow necked bottle, 3.) half fill the bottle with builder's (hydrochloric) acid, 4.) attach a toy balloon over the neck of the bottle, 5.) allow the balloon to fill with hydrogen. 6.) When the balloon is inflated, remove from the bottle, and tie the neck off. 7.) For garnishing, add a small length of cotton thread, from which a 6x6 inch square piece of aluminium foil is attached. 8.) Release into the early evening sky, and track with a telescope. With a bit of luck, someone will report seeing strange lights in the sky, and report them to the local radio station or newspaper. 
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
1610 Posts |
So, after most of your explanations, I'm ready to believe it is not silver. I was also surprised to find a copper layer and then silvery metal after, so I thought it was impossible for it to be. Anyway, probably in the future I'll melt it and see what it's truly made out of. I'm sorry if I made anyone angry by cutting the coin. Thank you for all your help.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Apollo: It's your coin. You have taken the risk. It is to your credit. For $3, I would have bought it out of curiosity as well. 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Think I would have done a lot more research on the piece before doing destructive testing on it. Even if it isn't pure silver, it would have still had some collector value to those collecting medals and tokens.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hate to tell you after you destroyed it, (wish I'd been on yesterday), but it's very much real silver. I have one in my collection. They were put out in a limited run in 2009. Very popular at the time and HIGHLY collectible. Went for $25ish when silver was selling for $13. Too bad. Did you even check ebay, first? There are about half a dozen listed for sale. Average price: $100!There is a valuable lesson to be learned here.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
traevin: Is it possible for you to provide a link for this piece?
OR,
Can anybody else who has read this thread able to do that?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36903 Posts |
Edited by IndianGoldEagle 07/02/2012 9:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1454 Posts |
Sure, Sel. Here's a link to the one's on sale on ebay. Just scroll down a bit to see examples. The original seller had these made by a private mint back in 2009; but I don't recall which mint was used. If memory serves, it was Silvertowne. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trk..._sacat=11116
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
1610 Posts |
I remember the guy saying, even through his accent, that it wasn't silver at all, so even then I just bought it for fun just $3. And now, I have some people telling me it's real and some saying it's fake, so I'm confused. If it's real, it's a $25-$30 profit just for melt and if I had sold it on ebay before looking to see what really lay underneath, I would have felt guilty selling a coin for $100 and not even knowing if it's silver or not. And if it's not silver, it's an interesting piece (even though destroyed) and I find it cool. And before I had drilled, I did a scratch test on the black stone and it came up as copper (because of the plating), so even if I had brought it to a Pawn Shop, the guy would have had the same results because of the layer of copper underneath so he too would have had to damage it to see. And that copper plate still leads me to believe its a reproduction..
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
traevin: Thanks for the link. Apollo has made some interesting observations and reasoning that would still require further investigation.
Does anybody have an idea who originally sponsored it's manufacture and issue? I am completely in the dark on these questions.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
787 Posts |
I hope it turns out to be silver for you, but I cannot understand why copper / brass would be present if it were pure silver.
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