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Nerd Alert - Math Serial Numbers

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 Posted 07/23/2012  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list

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Has anyone else done this?


GerrodH...some of us have been at this for a while with PI...It's NOT that EASY.

Welcome and it's refreshing to see someone with odd ball interests like some of US around here. Hope you hang around........
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 Posted 07/23/2012  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list
I'll keep an eye out for those numbers.
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 Posted 07/23/2012  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
The problem with looking for exact specific serial numbers, whatever that specific number may be, is the sheer improbability of finding one. The odds of finding radars are (roughly) 1 in 10,000 notes. Two-digit repeaters are 1 in 1,000,000. Solids are 1 in 10,000,000. An exact specific serial number, such as your birth-date, your telephone number, solid-8s or the numerals of pi, are 1 in 100,000,000. You have a higher probability of being killed by a meteorite, than of examining one banknote and it just happening to have the serial number you seek. Of course, if you're in a position to search through tens of thousands of notes, your odds of actually finding one increase proportionally.

Also working against you is the digits of pi, e and other constants are essentially random to a casual observer. The human mind seeks patterns, and the digits of pi are patternless. Which means that you have to be, to quote the thread title, a "nerd" who has trained themselves to recognize the digits of pi (without the decimal point) as a pattern in order to even detect one. I have to admit, not being such a mathematically trained mind, that if someone posted a note with serial number 31415927 (or, for that matter, an "almost-pi" like 31419527) and asked if it were special, I might think, "I've seen that number somewhere before", but I'd still say, "Nope - that serial number's nothing special".
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 Posted 07/23/2012  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GerrodH to your friends list
I'm definitely going to hang around. I really like this forum.

If anyone has a picture of a pi note, I really would like to see it! :) One of these days I'll get serious about finding it and buy 1000's of ones at a time if I have to.

The cool thing about the notes being hard to recognize is that I know they're still out there.
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 Posted 07/23/2012  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
first off if you are looking for specific number and the odds of finding it are 1 in 100 million and you buy 1000 notes a week looking for it you will be very old by the time you find it, around 2000 years old.

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The odds of finding ... Solids are 1 in 10,000,000


You forgot that 00000000 isn't a valid serial, so the odds go up a smidge.
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 Posted 07/24/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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You forgot that 00000000 isn't a valid serial, so the odds go up a smidge.

True; my odds were very rough ball-park figures. "99999999" isn't a valid number either because the serials don;t go that high, at least not for US notes, so (for example) the true probability of a solid is only 8:96,200,000 or 1:12,025,000. You can see more precise probability estimates and discussion about it in this old thread.
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 Posted 07/25/2012  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list

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"99999999" isn't a valid number either because the serials don;t go that high, at least not for US notes,


The serials do go that high, you just probably wont see one in circulation since they are on uncut sheets or older notes. But then for that matter, you probably wont see any other solid in circulation either.
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 Posted 07/25/2012  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
The presumption being made here is that someone gets 100 Mil in sequential notes...never going happen....That being said

The odds are what they are...
and to quote a few words from Harry potter..."sheer dumb luck" comes into play as well.
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 Posted 07/25/2012  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
I cannot resist this:

Prove or disprove - Every serial number is interesting.

Assume that there is a number which is not interesting.
If so, there might be a smaller number which is not interesting.
Continue this reasoning until you get to the lowest uninteresting number.
The fact that it is the lowest uninteresting number makes it interesting.
Continue back up the line and you have proved that EVERY serial number is interesting.

Why stop with PI?
Square roots, cube roots.
Fibonacci series.
12481632 (powers of 2)

ALL numbers are interesting!

I am not a math nerd but I like numbers.
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 Posted 07/25/2012  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list

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Prove or disprove - Every serial number is interesting.


Not to me, but if they are to you I certainly respect your right to think so. Just don't try to make a living selling cube root notes, I suspect you will starve long before your first sale.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GerrodH to your friends list
Given someone finds a $1 Pi note with serial #31415926. What would be an appropriate cost for it? Essentially, how much would I have to pay or offer in bounty for it? I know it's a specialized note but there also isn't that much overall demand. Does anyone else have a similarly obscure interest and how much does it cost you?
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 Posted 07/26/2012  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
I am a big fan of Feynman... some of you may know that he worked on the Manhatten project but when he was there he took a guess at the combination of the safe that held all the atomic secrets, it opened when he tried E.

I think looking for any serials is a little nerdy but maths constants no more so than just looking for a low number or a repeater.

No offence but really collecting different dates of coins and serial numbers on notes is a nerd activity even if I do some of it myself.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GerrodH to your friends list
I just got done reading Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman. I'm a fan too.
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 Posted 07/27/2012  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list
Some collectors have offered finders fee's ranging from $5 to $100. Then you have the added cost of purchasing the note itself.

In the case of something like PI....there are NO established prices and is going to be highly subjective. Meaning low sn's, radars, repeaters etc have an established price range and stay within that range for most part unless there is something exceptional about the note from a technical stand point.

IF I was to give a guesstimate I would think $100 or higher for a chcu note. Then again someone else may say not more than $25 to $50 as it's a niche market. Including your self now I have read about 3 folks wanting a SN with PI.
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 Posted 07/27/2012  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GerrodH to your friends list
Thanks for the info Ceylon. Once I'm on this board a little longer and can buy stuff, I'll put up a bounty for it.
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