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quote: "I know george bungled the americas for the crown." - huh ? quote: "the UK ebay is bound to be cheaper for UK currency." - I disagree. There is a greater supply of U.K. coins in the U.K., but the demand for them is greatest in the U.K. American coins are most expensive in America, and French coins in France. I agree with Anaximander: you've got a particularly nice example of an early shilling. The dimensions were altered in the Great Recoinage of 1816. $100 is a top price, but not excessive. I have a gold-plated 1787 shilling: they were very similar size to the Guinea, and had a passing similarity in appearance, so I'm guessing that mine was intended to be "passed off" as a gold coin.
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@Peter Thomas - Thats coo,l a gold plated shilling. I take it your shilling was plated in the 18th century and used as a counterfeit? In response to your, "huh?" I found this excerpt that better summarizes what I was trying to briefly say.
''George III hoped that "the tongue of malice may not paint my intentions in those colours she admires, nor the sycophant extoll me beyond what I deserve",[117] but in the popular mind George III has been both demonised and praised. While very popular at the start of his reign, by the mid-1770s George had lost the loyalty of revolutionary American colonists,[118] though it has been estimated that as many as half of the colonists remained loyal.[119] The grievances in the United States Declaration of Independence were presented as "repeated injuries and usurpations" that he had committed to establish an "absolute Tyranny" over the colonies. The Declaration's wording has contributed to the American public's perception of George as a tyrant''
I never like paying more then something is worth. I am glad I still got a good deal. Thanks for your comments guys. I am glad I was able to get a "top?" example :-)
Nate
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Hi It is a very common coin.The previous shilling was 1758(very,very common)In 1763 the Northumberland shilling was produced.This is a rare coin which the Chinese have picked up on...tread carefully with this one 70% on ebay are fakes. 1 wouldn't pay more than £40/50 for your coin as they sit in every British dealers trays who can't shift them.
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If its only worth 50 pounds. I guess I over paid. Although I Have never met a UK dealer, we have nobe in the US. I also have never seen this " common" coin before I bought it. I never have luck importing from the UK either. So figure 800 USD for a plane ticket, I think I did alright. Are these exclusivly preserved in high grades? I am surprised that every UK dealers got one. I am sure now there has got to be a fair amount of fakes out there. Thanks for commenting all.
Edited by Ancientnoob 07/30/2012 4:03 pm
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Ancient noob, unlike America, a lot of British coinage is preserved in peoples homes. People find purses full of old money around. when my great gran copped it, we found loads of predecimal currency from back to 1775 just around and about. I had a look yesterday in my foreign and old coin pot and found a silver 3p and a whole load of old pennies.
Basically, all the coinage in England of the newer variety (pre-decimal after about 1750) is plentiful. Heck, go metal detecting and you'll find pennies from 1802 and think nothing of it. A coin from 1802 in America is a big deal, but its not so here.
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Ancientnoob: To answer your query if they are only preserved in high grades -I have one I would rate as F ( VF if I screw my eyes half shut and hold it up against the sun ).
Spink catalogues your coin as VF £60 and EF £135. This is assuming your coin is genuine. It might be plentiful in London, but out in the sticks where I am, you don't see much silver pre 1816.
I am pleased to own this coin because apart from the 1763 Northumberland shilling ( rare and often faked ) and the 1798 "Dorrien and Magens" ( extremely rare ) it is the only George III shilling pre the great recoinage of 1816. It is probably the only shilling from this era an ordinary collector like me will ever get.
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Thanks, assuming its real, do you think it would grade EF?
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>>1 wouldn't pay more than £40/50 for your coin as they sit in every British dealers trays who can't shift them.
$100 is £64, so the price is quite reasonable. It is somewhat better than those that sit unsold in trays, or at least the trays I frequent :)
As for grade GVF ? (which probably crosses over to a US EF ?)
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"go metal detecting and you'll find pennies from 1802 and think nothing of it." - if you have any to spare, please let me know.
Ancientnoob: my shilling is a variety of counterfeit, but, at its heart, remains "genuine". KG3 was a constitutional monarch. American greivances arose from decisions made by politicians in the British Parliament. British kings ignore Parliament at their peril (examples: Charles I, executed 1649; James II chased into exile 1689). The pollies shifted the blame to KG3, and American historians have bought the lie for more than 200 years.
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@ALL thanks all for coming out and taking a look and commenting on my coin. Thanks for the quick history lesson. I assure you all that American Historian have most likely got a lot wrong. Maybe more then what is correct. Again thanks all.
Nate
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Ignore Spink prices,they are a guide only. ebay,fairs,auctions,dealers lists are the current selling prices.Spink is way out (up and down) on many coins.
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Spink prices, like any other catalogue, can only ever be a guide. I use them to draw an imaginary graph in my head, plotting coin quality against price. I find prices also vary according to region and the kind of coin seller as well as coin quality. If a price varies hugely from any of the three catalogues I own, then I always take a second ( or even third/fourth...)look before I part with my cash.
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Can anyone provide a link to this "SPINK" catalogue? I would love to look through it. Thanks guys for your continued interest in this piece.
Edited by Ancientnoob 08/01/2012 11:28 am
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@ Anaximander- thanks bud....Funny note..I thought SPINK was a catalogue to buy from rather then a reference book....Shows how much I know I think I will pick this one up and add it to my library. Again thanks man. I appreciate it. I learn something new everyday. Nate
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