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Amazing Numismatic "Factoids" ... Post One

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 Posted 08/13/2012  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
I don't consider models to be "real" insofar as "oh, it's really so-and-so on this coin." If we're saying that, then the Sherlock Holmes stories need to be rewritten to be about Dr. Joseph Bell, for example, and we need to rename a certain billion-dollar company in the comics world to "Downey Industries" instead of Stark. Models--and I say this as somebody who used to sit for friends who were animation majors (I've been Alice in Wonderland, the Mad Hatter, half a dozen original characters and Mickey and Minnie Mouse)--are not the people you see in the end product. I'm blonde and wear headbands, but I'm not Alice, and I'm certainly not Mickey. The women who sat for Liberty had certain things in common with the final product, but none of them are Liberty.

And yeah, I didn't count commems. There are so many of those, and the very existence of the First Spouse coins would make the factoid irrelevant if we counted commems. As for Helen Keller, you guys DO know, of course, that there are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.


Here's another: Although the buffalo made a reappearance on our nickels in 2005, there are college-educated people who do not recognise the original Indian/buffalo nickel as US coinage. I've met four of them.
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 Posted 08/17/2012  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
Factoid: US dimes minted during World War II featured one of the main symbols of fascism - in fact, the very one this ideology is named after! (Side-factoid: almost the same image appears on some coins from Mussolini-era Italy.)

...This one goes much better with an audience which doesn't know the difference between fascists and Nazis; basically, the former were mostly based in Italy. Neither, of course, has anything to do with the Mercury dime, which was designed in 1916 - well before any such connotations!
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 Posted 08/17/2012  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1967Canadapenny to your friends list

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Only two women have ever appeared on our coinage: Sacagawea and Susan B. Anthony. (Liberty is a visual representation of an ideal, not an actual woman.)

didn't the Colombian exposition quarter, and the alabama quarter feature real people? (Queen Isabella, and Hellen Keller respectively)
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 Posted 08/17/2012  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list


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didn't the Colombian exposition quarter, and the alabama quarter feature real people? (Queen Isabella, and Hellen Keller respectively)


That is correct.

From the US MINT website


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Women on the Nation's Coins

With regard to the total number of real women ever portrayed on U.S. coins, our records show the following:

Circulating Coins:

Helen Keller on the reverse of the Alabama quarter: 2003
Sacagawea on the dollar coin: 1999-Present
Susan B. Anthony on the dollar coin: 1979-1981

Commemorative Coins:

Queen Isabella of Spain on the Columbian Exposition Quarter Dollar: 1893
Eunice Kennedy Shriver Silver Dollar: 1995
Virginia Dare, with her mother Eleonor Dare, on the Roanoke Island, North Carolina Half Dollar: 1937
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 Posted 08/17/2012  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
Okay, January, but what is the symbol?
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 Posted 08/17/2012  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
On the reverse, the bundle of sticks with the hatchet
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 Posted 08/17/2012  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
@nina... It is called a Fasces...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
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 Posted 08/18/2012  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
That's a bundle of sticks? I thought it was a column. Clearly I need to look closer.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  03:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
It does look exactly like one. The axe blade on the top left is really the only thing that lets you know its sticks instead of a column

It actually goes back to the Roman empire days when civil servants would carry them in front of magistrates and is supposed to symbolize life and death. Mussolini used a lot of Roman symbols
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 Posted 08/18/2012  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
My interesting fact:

In the UK, the only circulating coinage is 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p, 50p, £1 and £2 coins. However, other legal tender coins are available, but tend to be filtered out of circulation as soon as they are used, these include:

3p, 4p, 25p and £5 coins. There are other coins made of gold worth other sums, for example, the Sovereign can be used and has a face value of £1. There is a £50 coin, the Britannia. All of these can be used, but due to the metal content, are immediately withdrawn, either by the person who took them at the till or the mint retrieves them. This is why no-one gets 25p coins in change - the Crown contains more than 25p worth of Cupro-Nickel and the Quarter Sovereign contains more than 25p worth of Gold.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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3p, 4p, 25p and £5 coins.


Are these minted every year or just something that happened over time like the old silver coins in the US?
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 Posted 08/19/2012  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
the fasces was also seen on French coins, in the years after the Revolution. in the WW2 Vichy-era, the Etat Francais coins had an axe, and another feature.

regarding 3p & 4p coins of the UK: this would be the Maundy Money:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maundy_money

and here's my factoid: the first English coin to bear its denomination was the 1799 farthing.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
The LAST US coin to have it's denomination put on the coin was the Eagle in 1839. (I don't count the gold dollar or double eagle that got theirs in 1849 because they didn't exist before that date.) The next to last was the Half Dime in 1829.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Basebal: Each year, the monarch does a Maundy ceremony and a set of coins, 1p, 2p, 3p and 4p coins are produced in silver. These silver coins, being minted at the time and for ceremonial purposes, are legal tender. Yeah, you can get silver 1 pennies, but they are as rare as the 4ps. Due to tradition also, the maundy 3p is identical in design to the pre 1927 pre decimal silver 3p, which meant the mint was forced to keep this as legal tender. Not that you would use it!

As for the 25p coin, they were produced as commemeratives, for example, a medallion of churchill. Many people do not know they are legal tender as it is not on the coin (it says no where that it can be spent and 25p isn't on it), but they are, as they match the old pre decimal crown and are valued as such. Due to Cupronickel now costing more than 25p for such a coin, the same size and weight is now used for £5 coins and as such 25p coins are no longer minted, but remain legal tender.

£5 coins are still minted and supposedly can be traded for regular £5 notes, but good luck trying that, as you have to be the head of a post office to order them at face value from the mint.
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