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Yet Another Uncleaned Batch, Need Some Serious Help Here!

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 Posted 08/17/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
your number 2 may be constans..I think the letter are FLIVLCONSTANSNOBC, not sure if that matches with that mint or not though?

some interesting stuff in there. 3 looks cool also!



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 Posted 08/18/2012  05:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Thanks for the help Chrsmat, your help has IDed this coin! That being said, the really major letters for this are gone, but I can read FL IVL CONSTANT-IN NOB C. I suppose I should try and see what it could be. For the moment, every time I search anything, it comes back to RIC VII Thess 200, so ill assume I'm misreading it and assume it is that.

Coin 2 is Constanius II, GLORIA EXERCITVS on reverse, FL IVL CONSTANTIVS NOB C on obverse. Matches with RIC VII 200. 331-4 ACE. Mint mark is SMTS for Thessalonica.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
I wonder if your coin #1 is a Diadumenian:

Antioch SGI 3017v AE19. Antioch, Syria. 217-218 AD. KAI M O DI ANTWNINOC CE, radiate head right / SC within wreath, D above, eagle below. SGI 3017 var.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/diad...GI_3017v.jpg
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 Posted 08/18/2012  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
JWHarper, it isn't a radiate. I have a fake Caesar and that other coin from Pergamon (excuse my spelling) and the bust certainly matches up to 100ACE. I'm going to go ahead and clean up the bust a bit - I'm not doing any more cleaning to the reverse, I feel that I've lost detail by moving dirt from the SC.

I finally took a picture, and after some more cleaning, I am confident that it is a fel temp! Its struck on a smaller flan than the die was made for. I believe it is a barbaric issue.

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 Posted 08/18/2012  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
I cannot tell from the image if it is radiate or not, but if not it could be: Diadumenian AE18, Antioch MacAlee 755; Antioch, Syria. 217-218 AD. KAI O DIA ANTWNINOC, bare head right / Large SC within wreath, wreath over delta-epsilon above, eagle below.

http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/diad...Alee_755.jpg

Also, the Fel Temp image is not barbaric in my opinion, but it is on a small flan. The mintmark is "CONSGAMMA" (Constantinople). It also looks like there is a letter in the reverse left field, but I cannot make it out.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
JWHarper, the bust doesn't quite match up - its just the neck, it doesn't flay at the bottom (well, no flay has survived).

As for the fel temp, you are right, there is a T in the reverse field, dont know what that means, and a symbol left of the bust I would like to pin down. Checking wildwinds for the T in field design.
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 Posted 08/18/2012  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list
Ben,

I don't believe your FEL TEMP is barbaric but I may wrong

Clearly though, I am pretty sure it is Constantius Gallus.

-Kurt
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 Posted 08/18/2012  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Kurt, I am going to take your word for that! I know its a Constantine, and I dont have a Con Gall yet, so I'm quite happy at that!

However, I have yet to find a single example with a T in left field. Ill check Heveltica.

Just did, and no, none labelled with T in left. Delta behind bust matches up, but no T dot. Curious indeed. Could it be a different symbol?
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 Posted 08/18/2012  10:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
it looks like all the CONS gamma mintmark fel temps with a symbol behind the bust are either constantius ii or constantius gallus as bd said. based on where the "ON" hits there at hits there at 11 o'clock, I would also go with constantius gallus also.
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 Posted 08/19/2012  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list
Ben,

The only possibility for your FEL TEMP is Constantius Gallus given the fact that the bust is bald style coupled with the fact that there is an obverse field mark.

I would say that your obverse field mark would likely be delta rather A. Sometimes the serif typeface makes the letters a bit confusing to the untrained eye (that would be me).

This makes your coin RIC 110 or 113 depending on the reverse field markings.

Here is an example from a different mint(Sirmium) with the delta obverse field mark. Note the the Serif style.
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Cheers,

-Kurt
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 Posted 08/19/2012  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list
Coin 3 is actually Valentinian I.

OBV: D N VALENTINI-ANVS P F AVG
REV: SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE

Cheerio mate,

Kurt
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 Posted 08/19/2012  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Kurt, good stuff! You were bang on with the RIC 110 thing, the T is a gamma and the II is a delta. Adding Gallus to the list of emperors now.

And thanks for the help on coin 3 - ill write that up too. First Secvritas.
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 Posted 08/23/2012  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Great news! A coin I thought was a dud turns out to be a good coin - buried under lots of crap.

I tried stripping the patina but what I found was that the outer layer wasnt patina - so its stripping that off and revealing the design and lettering.

Heres the progress:
Before:
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Midway:
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Im seeing some real improvement, uncovered more bust after that picture was taken.
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 Posted 08/23/2012  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
now that is interesting....
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 Posted 08/24/2012  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Theres a slight indication of some silvering surviving, is this possible? If so, would citric acid cause damage to this?

Theres an area where I wore away some of the red encrustment and this came out shiny after the last dip.
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