1921 Morgan Toner ? Ef? Au? Unc ?

Hi NGiles

Your opinion is welcome and appreciated ,, I wish more folks would frequent the grading forum !!

Thank you for the info ,, I had noticed that the reverse die was slightly off center,, but I really did not attribute the weakness to it .

Metalman

Use the dot between E and Pluibus and compare it to the dot between the S and U.

but this coin actually shows weakness through the center on a line from 12 to 6 oclock of the obverse as well as the center of the reverse , which are common places for an under pressure coin to show weakness.

Metalman

For some reason I can't get your pictures to pull up on my computer today. Time for a new one. I have a coin that has the same differences also, and the weaknesses are on opposite sides of the coin. If your weakness on the obverse is in the dot between E and PLURIBUS, than it would appear to be the same effect. I'll have to think it trough again, but I still think it has something to do with the die heads being tilted. One side had to of struck first and harder.

very intersting discussion on this coin, makes some good training points. As soon as I can get a decent pic (which may require getting a different camera!) I want to post a Morgan for you'all to take a shot at. Picked it up at a local antique show, but in the meantime I think the points made above are excellent and reflect a high degree of expertise.

Jim I dont buy slabbed coins ,, but by and with my limited knowledge I think the coin grades MS-63 due to the strike qualities.

Here are a couple of other pics with different lighting ,,sorry about the quality but I hand held the camera .But I think they illustrate that this is a MS coin and that the toning is natural.






Metalman

No need to be sorry Hadley dog ,, if that is what you believe then thats what I want to hear ,, The coin also shows alot of brown tones and I'm not sure how that would be artifically created but if its possible then I suppose that it could have been done .

I bought the coin on ebay ,, and probably over paid ,, but thats life as it comes and goes.

Since I dont slab any of my coins grading is not essential to me ,, but if the coin was artifically toned the ebay seller will receive an email from me ,, is there anyway to be certian about the toning ?

Metalman

Metalman, the star by E in front of the portrait and the 4 stars under the chin tell the story. Notice how the color runs up and over them? There should be either some shadowing or color transitions between the relief and the recesses, not a solid color. The first pic also shows an area slightly to the right of the date and just below the curls in the hair where it appears the liquid that was applied stopped moving towards the rim and pooled.
Did the seller have several toned coins with this similar appearance? Different series, all toned the same? That would be another red flag. Hope this helps.
Bruce
Here's a good example that really shows the shadowing and color transitions around the stars. Also note how the color changes in the hair with respect to the high points and low, and around the date.


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Thanks Hadleydog ,,sorry for the delay in responding but I had to take a work break !!


I appreciate the pics and the conversation !

Metalman