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Face Value... Hah

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 Posted 09/20/2012  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinmaniac1 to your friends list
Columbian Exposition halves have been found in circulation...Not by me, though :(.
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 Posted 09/20/2012  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tgauchsin to your friends list
I read some posts somewhere - here or another forum - about a guy moving to Australia and having to declare his gold/silver hoard. I seem to remember the face value was important for some reason - either taxes or the amount he could bring into the country. So there may be some obscure legal reasons as to having a face value on the coins.

Anybody know more on this?
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 Posted 09/20/2012  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list
Wow, glad to hear this is more than a theory in my head XD
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 Posted 09/21/2012  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list
They pop up all the time. I've seen hunters post dozens of Stone Mountain, Colombian, clad commems, etc, on another forum I've frequented for five years. Personally, I've never found one.
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 Posted 09/21/2012  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list
I sure wouldn't mind that happening to me :D
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 Posted 09/21/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Double J to your friends list
I wish I could even find proofs which I see somewhat regularly on these threads. At least in the states they usually have an S. In Canada they don't really have anything aside for a few years with a W. But I'm new to this so I'd love to hear some Canadians share some stories on finding proofs or commemorative coins.
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 Posted 09/21/2012  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list
My lucky 1989 ASE:
Face-Value...-Hah
I bought this for $1 in 1993 from a 7-11 cashier's drawer.

I have also received over a dozen impaired "S" Proof State Quarters in my change (all of which are CU-NI clad).
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 Posted 09/22/2012  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list
How did you spot it in the drawer? I lean over and look as much as I can without being too conspicuous. That's the kind of thing I'm hoping for!
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 Posted 09/22/2012  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Bullion coins and NCLT commemorative coins have a "face value" on them because without a face value, they're not really coins - they're just medals. Most coin collectors don't want to buy "medals" - but they'll buy "coins", even at heavily inflated prices.

Yes, you can find some bullion "coins" from other countries that don't have a fixed face value, such as krugerrands and Mexican onzas. But they are exceptions to the rule. There are also other coins, particularly older ones such as British sovereigns and Dutch ducats, that don;t specifically state a face value on them but are nevertheless legislated as having specific face values.

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I read some posts somewhere - here or another forum - about a guy moving to Australia and having to declare his gold/silver hoard. I seem to remember the face value was important for some reason - either taxes or the amount he could bring into the country.

Cash or cash-equivalents (travellers cheques etc) over AU$10,000 do not incur import taxes but do have to be declared. But goods valued at over $1000 have to have import duties paid on them on arrival in Australia.

In 1999 the same tax reforms that introduced the GST declared bullion to be tax-free, provided it was "bullion grade" (minimum of .999 fine for silver, .995 fine for gold and .990 fine for platinum) and in "bullion form": coins, ingots or similar, rather than as raw metal. But "collectable coins" aren't considered bullion; imports valued at over AU$1000 have to have import duties applied to them.

In theory, you could argue that the coins were "just cash" and therefore only worth face value and not requiring payment of import taxes. But you'd still have to declare them, and you'd have to hope the Customs people handling your stuff will be too stupid to realise you're trying to pull a fast one. Someone importing bulk .900 fine silver coinage from the US might get away with the "but it's only money" argument; someone importing gold double-eagles probably would not.
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 Posted 09/22/2012  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Bullion coins and NCLT commemorative coins have a "face value" on them because without a face value, they're not really coins - they're just medals. Most coin collectors don't want to buy "medals" - but they'll buy "coins", even at heavily inflated prices.

I used 3 Aussie $5 coins ( Bronze olympic coins ) to pay for some beer the other day.
My general store is also my post office and the owner is a fellow collector, The upshot is instead of getting a 6 pack I walked out with a block of beer for $15 face value
I had just received a full set of these Olympic $5 coins and the ones I gave him were spare ( and I offered to give him them for nothing anyway) Old mate refused to accept them as a gift and insisted I take my beer......Ya gotta just love that
2 winners in the one day and everyone ends up happy
The moral of the story is .... If you want to spend your NCLT coins at face, be very choosy where ya spend em
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 Posted 09/22/2012  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add santafeboy to your friends list
Commemortives do show up A few months ago I found a 1982 George Washington 90% half dollar in a teller tray, this week 1 of my $500 half dollar boxes gave me a 1989 D Bicentennial of the Congress clad halves only 163,000 minted
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 Posted 09/22/2012  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list

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How did you spot it in the drawer?

I'm over 6ft. tall. The ASE was by itself in the drawer's fifth coin space (which were commonly used for Halves before they faded from circulation, and now cashiers will put Dollar coins there).

Best part was that the (I'm guessing he was Ethiopian or Somalian) cashier seemed genuinely pleased to get my $1 note in trade for it.
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 Posted 09/23/2012  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list
Yeah, I gotta keep checking the odd-slot for odd coins! Nothing like silver for cheap-as-free!
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 Posted 09/24/2012  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JobIII to your friends list
These finds are rare and always awesome. Unless you're not the one to get that coin.
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 Posted 09/24/2012  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list

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The ASE was by itself in the drawer's fifth coin space (which were commonly used for Halves before they faded from circulation, and now cashiers will put Dollar coins there)

I always try to check out that 5th slot when I am in a retail establishment. It can be awkward trying to be inconspicuous, though. Sometimes if I can tell just from a glance that there are unusual items in that slot, I will come right out and ask, something like "May I ask what kind of coins those are?" I haven't been refused an answer yet. Of course, I wouldn't ask if there was a line behind me!
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