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Is A Non-Collectible Gold Coin Worth Melt Value?

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 Posted 10/08/2012  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
Just remember...money in the bank is LOSING money everyday! No joke. At a generous 2% interest...and a 1.7% inflation rate, coupled with a 3% depreciation rate due to QE3... that nets you 2.7% loss in value for the year! That is going BACKWARDS! Then add in allthe bank fees and charges...yes...some banks are actually charging to make a wwithdrawal...and your loss mounts even higher! You want a safe haven....buy palladium...look at its five year up/down extremes, to me that is the lowest risk PM of them all! Lower profit potential as well...but sheesh..at least you aren't promised to lose almost 3% a year!
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 Posted 10/08/2012  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Good to hear JonnyBigBoss. Be careful buying anything with money needed in the next year or two for living!

Welcome to CCF as well.

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 Posted 10/08/2012  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Just remember...money in the bank is LOSING money everyday! No joke. At a generous 2% interest...and a 1.7% inflation rate, coupled with a 3% depreciation rate due to QE3... that nets you 2.7% loss in value for the year!


Yea but youll lose more than that reselling a PM whose price hasnt increased and of course it could do down. PMs can be good long term but not for money you need to be accessible
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 Posted 10/08/2012  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
I guess I just have never lived that close to "hand to mouth"...have I been flat poor yes...but always had a year reserve of funds on hand. Just managed my expenses and expeditures.. when you live that close to your means you are at the mercy of everyone else. When you stay ahead...they are at yours! I tend to define my life as always living "two years in the past" when it comes to purchases. With rare exceptions when I buy "non investment" items I buy two year old technology...they tend to be VERY cheap. Or buy second hand. I just feel too many people today live too high on the hog for what they make....I say...save hard now so you can play hard later! When you live that close to your means you really can't invest at all, which is the main culprit for the "retirement anxiety" people feel today. JBB...I say...reexamine your lifestyle and adjust it so you CAN truely invest now....it will pay off handsomely....I promise!
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 Posted 10/08/2012  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Roller I completely agree. I think the thing that sometimes get lost in the PM and money talk is that not everyone keeps the backup funds. I agree PMs are a good hedge and a good thing to have but not at the expense of turning money that could be needed or is set aside for college like the above example. Pms do have value and I think its important to point out that turning that into cash when necessary often results in a loss without a price increase. If you bought a couple years ago theres no worry right now, but if you bought 3 months ago depending when you did your probably breaking even at best. Theyre a good long term plan just not short without some luck on your side.

A lot of the debt problems faced by most people was from living above their means. Some people really did come on hard times, but a lot either spent to much or went to a school that was too expensive and just didnt think it would be an issue or didnt care. You cant assume that paycheck will always be there and its important to be prepared if it disappears. Its amazing how much you can save just by cutting out a bar trip a week or eating at home more. A lot of little things like that add up fast
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 Posted 10/08/2012  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Yes, and then a bit I would think these days....
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 Posted 10/08/2012  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
My "bar trips" usually consist of silver BARS! Lol
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 Posted 10/08/2012  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
My advice is not to invest more than 25-30% of your gross investment into PM and collectible coins, but final decision is upon yourself.
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 Posted 10/08/2012  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JonnyBigBoss to your friends list
Awesome discussion everyone.

How much does an assay cost when you go to a shop? Do they at least keep the portion they cut to test?
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 Posted 10/08/2012  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
Never been through that as I have always bought reliable well know PMs.
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 Posted 10/08/2012  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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My "bar trips" usually consist of silver BARS! Lol


Lol that can actually be cheaper sometimes.

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 Posted 10/08/2012  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
worth melt value
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 Posted 10/09/2012  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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If your just buying gold for the sake of having gold, go for commemorative gold coins, that's my opinion.

As long as these rounds or medallions have the gold weight and purity stamped on them, they should be fine. It can be difficult to see unusual rounds that do not have the gold or silver weight and purity on them.


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A bank account might not get you much, if any, interest but the principal is safe.

Indeed so... as safe and sound as the US dollar itself.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinwatch to your friends list

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How much does an assay cost when you go to a shop? Do they at least keep the portion they cut to test?


None of the transactions I've seen at my LCS have openly discussed assay during price negotiations. The dealer, if he or she is interested at all, will just give your their buy price for the coin. His discount below spot will be higher if he feels he's taking much of a calculated risk. On the other hand, if you were to go to one of the gold buyer stores, they might do a simple surface test to determine gold content before making you an offer.
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 Posted 10/10/2012  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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On the other hand, if you were to go to one of the gold buyer stores, they might do a simple surface test to determine gold content before making you an offer.

That's exactly what happened to us. My wife had some old jewelry that she no longer wears so wanted to sell them. We went to a touring gold buyer and he made a few tests, offered her some prices for the various pieces, and she accepted some of them but not others.
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