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 Posted 10/08/2012  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
me too
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 Posted 10/08/2012  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzarmarko to your friends list
It is a small portrait note, for those of you who are asking what it is.
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 Posted 10/08/2012  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Beside obvious small portrait note! What's the significant serial# to this note OP specifically noted the serial#
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 Posted 10/08/2012  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list
macmercury:

It is a bookend note. The same sequence of digits(16 in this case) is found both at the beginning and at the end of the serial number. I don't think it adds value to the note, in this case at least.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
I though bookend note required at least first and last 3 digits to match

What's going on with the forum time?
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10/09/2012 12:07 am
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 Posted 10/09/2012  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jlgaudlitz95 to your friends list
It's pretty hard to find such old notes in such good condition in circulation. Last month I found a 1974 $1 FRN. Not really valuable, but a neat finds.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list
I'm not sure, but bookends are referred to as two different things:

The first being what I have just mentioned, and all the sources I found do not disregard a sequence of 2 digits repeating itself as a bookend note. But if it were up to me, I wouldn't consider these serial numbers fancy unless they have a sequence of 4 digits repeats itself which I believe makes it a repeater.

The second which are also considered bookends is when you have a set of three consecutive notes, the middle one being a radar(or an error note according to one source I found) and the two others being "shoulder notes" or "bookends". An example being :

25466451 (bookend)
25466452 (radar)
25466453 (bookend)
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 Posted 10/09/2012  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JobIII to your friends list
I've actually never heard of bookends being the notes that come before and after a radar note. That's new to me.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list
Here are bookends notes, labeled so by the PCGS. I have taken the image from Clay Irving's glossary:

Found-This-Yesterday

He refers to the middle note as a "specific note", in his example it happens to be an error note. Another case was discussed involving a radar note here:

http://www.cdnpapermoney.com/forum/...topic=3602.0
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10/09/2012 10:03 pm
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 Posted 10/09/2012  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
In that instance bookend refers to something different. A bookend serial number has the same starting number as ending number and there is no requirement on the number of digits. To me a bookend serial doesn't add much to the note. That bookend set just means an error with notes before and after.

*edit to clarify.
If a serial has a number like 16000016 then I would say that the term bookend is more relevant that a serial like 16918516.
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10/09/2012 11:55 am
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 Posted 10/09/2012  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
Pretty nice condition for such an old note.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ckrakowski to your friends list
a bookend note is where the first and last letter of the serial number match. anyone who tells you different is wrong and they need to learn the correct terms. just because pcgs said those are bookends just means they made a mistake.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list

Quote:
anyone who tells you different is wrong and they need to learn the correct terms. just because pcgs said those are bookends just means they made a mistake.


A couple of posts up from yours I mentioned that PCGS is referring to an error with the bookend notes, in other words in this case bookend means the note before and the note after. That isn't the same thing as a bookend serial number.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Bill Collector to your friends list
"a bookend note is where the first and last letter of the serial number match. anyone who tells you different is wrong and they need to learn the correct terms. just because pcgs said those are bookends just means they made a mistake"

I don't have much faith in pcgs grading but,
how do we know that your not mistaken ?
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10/09/2012 3:57 pm
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 Posted 10/09/2012  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list
Nickelman:

I agree with you, I would want to consider 16000016 as a bookend serial, but not 16918516.

The first one(I think it's referred to as a quad center bookend) I find is clearly fancy and I can see how it could bring a premium. The second one however, not fancy at all.
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