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Pillar of the Community
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Lets all hope the SHTF does not happen it is best to be prepared as any disaster can be trying and better survived if one is prepared.
Some of us know what it is like to have to point a gun at another human-being pull the tiger and live with these actions, to see the direct results of incoming artillery and the remains of the human pieces left. The horrors of war are never forgot and hard to live with, if the SHTF happens as I am afraid it will many are in for a rude awakening. I myself think this may really happen but pray it does not. Everyone is going about their daily life s though nothing is going on around them. You can not convince your grown children to prepare for what may happen everyone is in their own little bubble and most will die when their bubble brakes.
I for one pray that SHTF does not happen.
Semper fi
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Pillar of the Community
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I would suggest climate change may be a harbinger of things to come. It very well may. One thing though. The Earth's climate is not and never has been static. It is ALWAYS changing and it always has. Sometimes the changes are mild and relatively unnoticed. At other times they are drastic and cause many problems. Either way, it is what it is as well as what it has been for eons. Changing weather patterns and climate is not a new development. Interestingly enough, temps are rising on Mars too, so this is not strictly a localized event. "It's more likely one day that we will stop trying to win the losing battle against unlimited demand of fossil fuels us vs. putting up solar panels and getting it for free from the sun." I also am a fan of solar and wind power but only in the places where it can be used to best effect. Here in the soggy Pacific NW, solar power is minimally effective but wind power works great. So do the dams we have on the mighty Columbia river and its tributaries. Wind and water power are safe, clean, reliable, effective, and efficient. In other parts of the country, other forms of renewable power may well work a lot better. Solar in the south, central, and south west should be fine. Only problem with solar is that the energy density is not very high. About 900 watts per sq. meter in Earth orbit and just over 300 watts per sq. meter at the Earth's surface, depending on location, of course. These are averages. Still, useful amounts of power can be wrung from solar energy, just not HUGE amounts, such as are needed by heavy industry and at times when the sun is not shining or the wind not blowing. |
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Solar is fine for small scale things, but unless you want to literally cover the entire midwest with panels its not a practical solution. Wind is alright to as long as its windy and birds arent getting caught in it. Nuclear is our best option if you wanted to get off of coal but no one wants to build those types of plants. Weve still got a lot of fossil fuels left and well figure something out before we run out, but natural gas should be getting a boost in usage over the next few years with the insane amount of it were sitting on. Quote:
It very well may. One thing though. The Earth's climate is not and never has been static. It is ALWAYS changing and it always has. Sometimes the changes are mild and relatively unnoticed. At other times they are drastic and cause many problems. Either way, it is what it is as well as what it has been for eons. Changing weather patterns and climate is not a new development. Some climate guys in the 70s I believe predicted exactly the type of weather weve been seeing but were dismissed back then. Like you said its all a cycle and always will be. Thinking we can control mother nature is the worst mistake we could ever make. Quote:
Interestingly enough, temps are rising on Mars too, so this is not strictly a localized event. Temps on earth have been pretty flat for a while but I am not sure how the idea of a constant temp ever gained traction. The earths core is basically a reactor that goes through changes and were heated by a massive sun with a fluctuating temp. It doesn't make sense to think the theres not going to be hot and cold periods naturally unless the cave men caused the ice age by inventing fire. Plus weve been recording temps for what 100 or so years which is a nano second in the earths existence. Itd be like comparing how you feel for 1 second in your life span and saying that your health has declined because you coughed once |
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United States
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Greetings from Ocean county NJ. We just had a hurricane and the elctricity and heat have been out for a week. Houses are in the bay, and our barrier island is now a changed landscape. People have come together and made donations and set up community grills and the like. Yesturday some of the traffic lights started working. Gas is being rationed to every other day according to the last letter of our license plate. Lines are ridiculous. This is what I realized this week: Diversity in preparation is key. The planet has too many people. The infrastructure is fragile. People will come together and help each other until the food runs low. Nobody is interested in metals when they are looking for water. I will be better prepared in the future. Tools are nice to have too.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Elf very well said. Very sorry about what happened in the area as well. Hopefully your house isn't one thats in the bay. NJ does seem to be doing a better job from the top trying to get everything fixed up though than NY so hopefully it wont be to much longer.
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Pillar of the Community
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Some climate guys in the 70s I believe predicted exactly the type of weather weve been seeing but were dismissed back then. Actually, back in the 70s, the main rant was global COOLING and the coming ice age. After being wrong about that, they switched to global warming. When that fizzled, they finally went to global climate change, so they have some traction now whether the temps go up OR down. Getting caught red-handed lying about their research results at the University of East Anglia, a noted center for environmental research, one would think that their credibility on ANY issue would be nil about now. Scientists are VERY unhappy with people who fudge their research data, no matter what their reason for doing it was. A scientists' creed is "Truth Above All Else" and not "Political Expedience Above All Else". It is not unusual for liars to be banned from the scientific community as the bad actors they are. Credibility is all a scientist has and if s/he is willing to sell it for money or for politics, their name is mud... and for a VERY long time, at that. Ever after, they will be recognized with "Hey, aren't you one of those guys who lied about their global warming data?". It WILL follow them for the rest of their lives... and rightly so. |
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I agree, unfortunatly enough people and political agendas have prevented them from being completely run out and discredited. Its pretty obvious they came to the conclusion for and have been trying to work backwards to explain why. Whether it happens in our life time or not, they will be looked back on poorly in history for such dishonest attempts at "science". I recall a nobel prize winner resigning from one of those environmental science groups saying basically that theyre just playing politics and not reporting science. http://www.ibtimes.com/nobel-laurea...rming-313636I couldnt agree more though scientists should let the science dictate their polices and beliefs, not the other way around |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Actually folks Silver would be a good investment try finding antibiotics after a collapse.
Silver has a lot of medicinal properties not least of which it will purify water.
But plenty of lead and food to protect said silver would also be wise.
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Pillar of the Community
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...though scientists should let the science dictate their polices and beliefs, not the other way around REAL scientists do exactly that. People who do not are only pretending to be scientists. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Time confiscate some white coats  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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11/07/2012 01:13 am
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United Kingdom
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I'm pretty sure if a worldwide apocalypse actually did happen (I'm sure this will not in our lifetimes) no one would care about PM . Burying and burning the dead would be priority to stop disease. Perhaps silver would have a small value for its medical applications but if 80% of the globe are dead who and how would you process these materials? If paranoid that the end is near get stocking up on bottled water (most valuable) and dried food. Then medicine and weapons. That's my advice . And if anyone wants to swap gold for water or dried food give me a call . LOL
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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IF the worse happened.... I would rather have food, water and shelter. forget PMs. I can still trade my food for protection, and other services so yea i;ll pass PMs on a worst case scenario.
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Valued Member
United States
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I just take advantage of the great o' tides that silver and gold prices are offering now. I buy low and sell high for a profit.
Keeping silver/gold for an apocalypse is silly, just another marketing scheme. Unless you invest in silver bulletz....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would want food, water, warm/cool clothing, my bicycle and a bicycle pump, and . . . .
. . . . textbooks.
Yup, you read that right. Why? Here's why: If you read Stephen King's The Stand--which is actually a pretty good analysis of what would happen during a worldwide apocalypse, up until the point that God starts sending everybody visions because it's a very weird kind of science-fiction/fantasy thing--you'll find a section where two characters have to perform an appendectomy and neither of them are doctors. They perform the surgery by finding a Reader's Digest set of medical books and using them to learn as they go. I don't remember if their patient survives or not (I think not), but once the initial panic (DEATH!! FOOD!! WATER!!) is over and people have started to regroup, those books would be as valuable as gold is today (remember that in the initial fall we can count on lots of books being burned as fuel or by vandals). People will need to relearn how to doctor. People will need to relearn higher math, which has lots of daily applications. And people will need books to teach their children English/Spanish/French/etc. because even today, in a non-apocalyptic world, we are constantly finding old manuscripts and such from ancient civilizations--imagine what would happen in a world where ashes, ashes we all fell down, and now after the initial huddle for survival people are expanding outward again. In Ayn Rand's Anthem, all the books are burned at the beginning of the New World. In Alli Condie's Matched trilogy, old books that are not part of the One Hundred Books are routinely incinerated. In the Hunger Games trilogy, all past knowledge has been lost. In Fahrenheit 451, Montag is considered vital because he's the backup, not even the primary, memorizer of the Book of Ecclesiastes. It's very clear that knowledge is a powerful tool in a world gone crazy. I estimate it'd take six months at the outside for the medical books to be worth quite a lot.
So yeah, as soon as the dust settled I'd be running for the nearest Barnes and Noble and finding a way to get inside.
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