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 Posted 10/25/2012  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add everything to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I mention this often. It's more likely one day that we will stop trying to win the losing battle against unlimited demand of fossil fuels us vs. putting up solar panels and getting it for free from the sun. Those that stack silver before this happens are winners, but it's a patient man's game. If fossil fuel prices ever explode so will metal prices, unless we find easier ways to extract. In a deflationary event, which is economic collapse if dollars are worthless, how do you buy silver and gold, how do you put a value on them?

I kick this around all the time, some days I'm confident any metal is a good investment because we are addicted to technology, other days, I say, be patient, hold cash, wait for a recession to buy, and then buy big! Other days I feel we are in a secular bull market for metals, as the business cycle ramps up, they usually last ten years, we could have a ways to fall on silver for instance, gold forget it, it can only drop so far, people love gold far and wide, people put this stuff in their mouth for fillings, women got to have it for jewelry.

Interest rates have been going down for 30 years, the climb back up will be so slow, so slow in fact they keep lying about when they will start raising them back up, and tptb have no clue how much and how often they would go back up. Japan tried raising rates but then 2008 hit and that was all done, and now borrowing costs are as dirt cheap as ever.

The economy will not break down unless we have years of drought, a super volcano, a meteor hit, nuclear war, I would not rule out antibiotic resistance to a super bug of our own creation. I would suggest climate change may be a harbinger of things to come.

So, why is buillion not a good investment?, besides how high it is with possibility of a pull back maybe in a few years from now, the only reason I can come up with higher interest rates, I don't see extraction getting cheaper.
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 Posted 10/27/2012  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Narrowboatbox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I get this feeling that the thing that all you people putting posts on here in regards to zombie invasions and aliens should be investing and stockpiling anti paranoia drugs .
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 Posted 10/27/2012  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silvercoinrn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ahahah most of us don't really think it is gonna happen like in the movies. But it is a possibility. And more than likely something catastrophic will happen in our lifetime. Resources are going to become limited. Just running out of water or a few more years of major drought in the mid west.
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should be investing and stockpiling anti paranoia drugs
I'll trade you some silver for some but I don't think it's gonna work on me
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 Posted 10/28/2012  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add everything to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, some of the anti-psychotic drugs, who knows, unless you try them, are what turn people into a zombiesh like state. When, they really just need to clean themselves up, exercise, eat right, and get aboard the self control train. Just read the warning labels, no different than all that birth control getting into your water, etc. turning us into bisexuals?, thanks mom for staying off the birth control meds, or taking them as prescribed :)
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 Posted 10/28/2012  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add craig piette to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
America is too great and good to crumble ...
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 Posted 10/28/2012  03:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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America is too great and good to crumble ...

I would imagine that the Mongols and the Romans took that very same view
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 Posted 10/28/2012  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol I'm sure they did. Weve only been a major world power for 60 or so years though so we have some time left on the clock, even if we do have our own Caligula
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 Posted 10/28/2012  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crystalH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver would skyrocket if the world was ever invaded by werewolves!
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Silver would skyrocket if the world was ever invaded by werewolves!
Who says they haven't invaded. It would certainly explain who exactly the institutional silver shorts were.
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should be investing and stockpiling anti paranoia drugs
I am stocking up on tinfoil. I have been selling a lot of hats.
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 Posted 10/30/2012  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brucec to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lets all hope the SHTF does not happen it is best to be prepared as any disaster can be trying and better survived if one is prepared.

Some of us know what it is like to have to point a gun at another human-being pull the tiger and live with these actions, to see the direct results of incoming artillery and the remains of the human pieces left. The horrors of war are never forgot and hard to live with, if the SHTF happens as I am afraid it will many are in for a rude awakening. I myself think this may really happen but pray it does not. Everyone is going about their daily life s though nothing is going on around them. You can not convince your grown children to prepare for what may happen everyone is in their own little bubble and most will die when their bubble brakes.

I for one pray that SHTF does not happen.
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I would suggest climate change may be a harbinger of things to come.

It very well may. One thing though. The Earth's climate is not and never has been static. It is ALWAYS changing and it always has. Sometimes the changes are mild and relatively unnoticed. At other times they are drastic and cause many problems. Either way, it is what it is as well as what it has been for eons. Changing weather patterns and climate is not a new development.

Interestingly enough, temps are rising on Mars too, so this is not strictly a localized event.

"It's more likely one day that we will stop trying to win the losing battle against unlimited demand of fossil fuels us vs. putting up solar panels and getting it for free from the sun."

I also am a fan of solar and wind power but only in the places where it can be used to best effect. Here in the soggy Pacific NW, solar power is minimally effective but wind power works great. So do the dams we have on the mighty Columbia river and its tributaries. Wind and water power are safe, clean, reliable, effective, and efficient. In other parts of the country, other forms of renewable power may well work a lot better. Solar in the south, central, and south west should be fine. Only problem with solar is that the energy density is not very high. About 900 watts per sq. meter in Earth orbit and just over 300 watts per sq. meter at the Earth's surface, depending on location, of course. These are averages. Still, useful amounts of power can be wrung from solar energy, just not HUGE amounts, such as are needed by heavy industry and at times when the sun is not shining or the wind not blowing.
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 Posted 11/02/2012  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Solar is fine for small scale things, but unless you want to literally cover the entire midwest with panels its not a practical solution. Wind is alright to as long as its windy and birds arent getting caught in it. Nuclear is our best option if you wanted to get off of coal but no one wants to build those types of plants. Weve still got a lot of fossil fuels left and well figure something out before we run out, but natural gas should be getting a boost in usage over the next few years with the insane amount of it were sitting on.



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It very well may. One thing though. The Earth's climate is not and never has been static. It is ALWAYS changing and it always has. Sometimes the changes are mild and relatively unnoticed. At other times they are drastic and cause many problems. Either way, it is what it is as well as what it has been for eons. Changing weather patterns and climate is not a new development.


Some climate guys in the 70s I believe predicted exactly the type of weather weve been seeing but were dismissed back then. Like you said its all a cycle and always will be. Thinking we can control mother nature is the worst mistake we could ever make.


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Interestingly enough, temps are rising on Mars too, so this is not strictly a localized event.


Temps on earth have been pretty flat for a while but I am not sure how the idea of a constant temp ever gained traction. The earths core is basically a reactor that goes through changes and were heated by a massive sun with a fluctuating temp. It doesn't make sense to think the theres not going to be hot and cold periods naturally unless the cave men caused the ice age by inventing fire. Plus weve been recording temps for what 100 or so years which is a nano second in the earths existence. Itd be like comparing how you feel for 1 second in your life span and saying that your health has declined because you coughed once
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 Posted 11/03/2012  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elfof4sky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Greetings from Ocean county NJ. We just had a hurricane and the elctricity and heat have been out for a week. Houses are in the bay, and our barrier island is now a changed landscape. People have come together and made donations and set up community grills and the like. Yesturday some of the traffic lights started working. Gas is being rationed to every other day according to the last letter of our license plate. Lines are ridiculous. This is what I realized this week: Diversity in preparation is key. The planet has too many people. The infrastructure is fragile. People will come together and help each other until the food runs low. Nobody is interested in metals when they are looking for water. I will be better prepared in the future. Tools are nice to have too.
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