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Is It Time For A "C Wave Bloodbath"?

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 Posted 10/22/2012  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
Silverhawk,if the Euro can't make it how would a world currency make it? Besides,the money changers would never stand for a single currency,they would have nothing to trade and manipulate!
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 Posted 10/22/2012  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Hock he was just saying it as a last resort to save off a financial collapse in the world I believe. But they could still manipulate commodities
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 Posted 10/23/2012  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Hock has a great point as he often does, Euro failed why shouldn't a one world currency as well on a bigger scale....

Baseball was right, I did mean in a no other option type of situation....

I will say I think my point I was really going after....SIMPLE IS BETTER....

With that being said, is SIMPLE realistic in this new technical world, I think it is no longer feasible....

I keep going back in my head to the EMP blast from 1859, which makes me think we are in a real FRAGILE state, period now....

Heck, the day we all stopped using filing cabinets and put all our stock in servers always working, we crossed a path of possible disaster....

I always laugh at the doomsday show, where each prepper has a set plan they are building ENTIRE plan around, like the doc worried about SARS, lol....

The guy worried about another EMP blast, now that is again a feasible event that could happen any second, or maybe never at all....

Sure Yellowstone super volcano could blow and it will again, but the odds that happens in our lifetime is slim to UN-likely, even though its due....
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10/23/2012 12:56 am
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 Posted 10/23/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
I agree Silver, plus some of those thing people are prepping for if they ever happened like the Super Volcano were going to just be wiped off the face of the earth. You can only prepare for so much if some huge natural disaster is coming really the only way to survive is to not be in its way. The EMP could happen but who knows if it ever will. Seems a little silly to base ones entire life around preparing for something that may or may not happen and never really living. On the bright side things can be protected from emp blasts and Id guess a fair amount of server rooms (at least the real important ones) are designed for such a case. It would cause a lot of chaos for a time but could be overcome.

I have nothing against preppers or prepping, but at least from the people on the show. But I do think people need to be a little more honest about whats actually survivable like the super volcano. The last time that thing went off it wiped out North America.
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 Posted 10/23/2012  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
"On the bright side things can be protected from emp blasts and Id guess a fair amount of server rooms (at least the real important ones) are designed for such a case. It would cause a lot of chaos for a time but could be overcome."

Strong point again, probably no doubt the powers to be do in fact prep for such an event....

If it did happen, it would take about a year to fix, so a mess no doubt, but not permanent....

If it does ever happen world wide on a big enough scale, planes may fall from the sky and Marshall law will be in motion fast....
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 Posted 10/23/2012  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
All of the things mentioned above are reasons we need to not just chase technology because we can. I worry about the push toward a cashless society when everyday we hear about security breaches and ID theft. All we need is for some space object to collide with the wrong satellite and knock it out of line and we would have worldwide communications chaos. Several times in recent months we have had flash crashes on the stock markets and everyone claims they don't know what caused them. We need to worry more about our own created potential disasters. Convenience is not worth the risks to me,along with the fact that I don't trust our government to not collect data that is none of their business.
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 Posted 10/23/2012  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list


Hence this self quote, lol....

"Heck, the day we all stopped using filing cabinets and put all our stock in servers always working, we crossed a path of possible disaster...."
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 Posted 10/23/2012  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
One day the often mis-understood and ridiculed Amish or similar groups with similar lifestyles who can live off the land minus power will have the last laugh....

They live a pretty SIMPLE life eh.....

Nick Saban at Alabama doesn't call a bunch of fancy formations and hurry up O, or throw the ball over the place....

Instead, they play the best D, don't make MISTAKES, discipline is what they are all about. Solid special teams and run the ball, KISS keep it simple stupid eh....

Anyone gonna argue with Nick Saban's results as a college coach, lol....
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10/23/2012 01:19 am
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 Posted 10/23/2012  02:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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If it does ever happen world wide on a big enough scale, planes may fall from the sky


Luckily unlike tv they can glide to the ground and dont just fall straight down like on that new show.

Theres probably more backups then we know of for financial institutes and government records but I dont really like the idea of an all cashless society. I dont think were close to ever doing away with it all together but its possible one day. On the bright side the better technology gets and the more we rely on it the better it is able to protect itself from a lot of the treats. In reality hackers are probably more of a threat than any EMP could be at this point that wasnt caused by a nuke
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 Posted 10/23/2012  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
I don't know, the power goes black in a 747 and you got problems and you better pray Ted Striker is the pilot;-)....
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 Posted 10/23/2012  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Yes more realistic threat for sure via hackers and/or extremists getting a hold of nukes.....
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 Posted 10/23/2012  03:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Even if a plane loses all power the wings dont fall off lol, just becomes an over sized glider. Love the Striker reference by the way, hopefully heck have the inflatable co-pilot too.

On a more serious note I'm not sure what kind of EMP protection plane electronics have but modern planes do have their own way to generate power if they run out of fuel. The have a wheel they can deploy under them that uses the wind to generate power for the plane, wont work the engines but its nice to have hydraulics.

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 Posted 10/23/2012  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
Hey all, a few technical ramblings. First I currently work in the Satellite field. Knock one satellite out and you would not have a significant communications problem. At worse you would knock CNN off line for awhile. There is much redundant bandwidth in SatCom.

Second; aircraft. Before I moved to Satcom I made my living in the Aviation field ( the advantage of living as long as I have; four separate careers..one day when I grow up I'll figure out what I want to do...).

A lot of aircraft are "fly by wire". meaning it takes a computer to run them. The flight controls simply tell the computer which...direction...it wants the flaps, or ailerons or whatever to move in. It's true that power would maintained by on board batteries and, in some cases, deployable wind generators; but a significant number of aircraft would indeed just do a nose dive. In the early 80s we had so many aircraft suffering loss of control via loss of on board electronics that we created the term "lawn darts". The UH-60 and F-16 come to mind and are still called "lawn darts" by older maintenance personal. Also glide function and control are dictated by initial altitude. Believe it or not too close to the ground and you will crash, not glide. Though for different reasons. Some Pilot related and some physics related depending on type and design of an aircraft. If you are flying a Cessna with a good pilot you will be fine. A heavy....toss a coin and by the time it lands you will have your answer.

EMP, the Military hardens it gear...or did in the days of MILSPEC. A lot of Civilian gear is not hardened. Too expensive. And while some Central Distribution Points may...may be hardened..most client servers will not be. And back up gear will have to be manufactured new. By plants whose computers have been fried. So their computers will have to be manufactured again. By plants whose computers have been fried. You won't even be able to run a cnc machine. We would probably have to go back a few steps to simple bread boarding to make the machines that will allow us to make the machines, that will allow us to make the machines, that will finally get us back on track. It would not be a simple plug and play application. By the way, those of you with classic cars, using points type ignitions will be fine.

If I may make an observation; in some ways we have become too technically advanced. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE technology. But my Grandfather who was born in 1908 was a Master Machinist with the Navy. I once saw him build a generator from scratch..well ok..he didn't beat the copper into wire...but you get my meaning. I think I might...just might be able to do the same thing..given enough trial and error. But the kids these days would not have a clue. I work with some bright young kids these days. Most can read a schematic and know what a resistor is ELECTRONICALLY, but who have no idea of what it does, or how it is constructed physically. I recently took my 71 GTO in for a tune up and carb rebuild because I didn't have the time to do it myself. Big mistake. I had to go back to the shop 3 times to TEACH the technicians how to set the points, rebuild the carb, and finally to calibrate the carb. The shop owner was so embarrassed that there was no bill.

Back to silver. I see that all the pms are dropping, except silver which seems to still be stuck in a pattern. So the question is does this mean silver is waiting for the upside to be reestablished and then start from a higher base line than gold. Or will the delaying action of the silver bulls cause it to crash harder when it does finally go (the dam effect)?
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 Posted 10/23/2012  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
Wise words there from a wise man no doubt, nice work history JK, very interesting fields.....

No doubt you would have to be sharp as a tack to be in that type of work, and that post above supports that....

Great points as well about the old machinists and the modern tech kids with no clue what really makes the wheels go round and round....

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 Posted 10/25/2012  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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along with the fact that I don't trust our government to not collect data that is none of their business.

Hock, I can see by this that you just don't "get it". EVERYTHING is the gov's business! Think I am wrong about that? Just ask them and they will tell you that I am right.

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