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Need Help Iding This Gallienus Bronze

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 Posted 10/17/2012  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list
I would have said RIC 499 Mediolanum in RIC and Siscia in Wildwinds. RIC is old and out of date bordering worthless. Wildwinds has input from many dealers who know not and is slowly being improved. I don't know what is right.
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 Posted 10/17/2012  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Doug, I defer to your expertise. How can you tell the difference? Is it because of the style of the bust? I'm confused .
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 Posted 10/17/2012  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
I think that what Doug meant is that RIC 499 is attributed to Mediolanum in RIC and to Siscia at WildWinds. I've made corrections to a few pages in the past for Dane at WW and I can say that AAH is (was) very often wrong (or simply laxist) in his attribution. So Mediolanum should be closer to reality...
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10/17/2012 9:34 pm
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 Posted 10/17/2012  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
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 Posted 10/17/2012  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Was AAH the main source of pictures and descriptions for WW?
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 Posted 10/17/2012  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
"PAX: Hoped for, rather than attained" (E.A. Sydenham)
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 Posted 10/17/2012  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
bobbyhelmet, not the main source but he had a lot and still has quite many listed there. Some were plainly deleted (bad quality coins that made the attribution at least difficult), some others are replaced over time with better quality material. Anyone can submit coins to be listed on WW, if they are nicer than those wich are already there or simply not represented at all. I got a few of my own (past and present) there.
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 Posted 10/17/2012  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Thanks Dionysos.

Don't use WW much now, did a lot when I started collecting but like many found a lot of conflicting / incorrect data, confused more than helped sometimes.

Does it have a 'send note to moderator' kind of function on its coin entries yet?

Always wanted to contribute coins and corrections but was never comfortable Emailing Dane directly, she must be very busy just adding to it. Didn't want to seem ungrateful by pointing out faults via Email but would have happily sent in formatted data for approval if it had a submissions page / form.

Hope that makes sense
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 Posted 10/17/2012  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list
RIC 258 page 153 Vol. V part 1 reads "PAX AVG Pax as above but seated l." Our figure is not seated. 'As above' starts with 252 and runs through 257 with various legends but 256 is closest showing a standing Pax in several variations all of which have a letter (delta, V, T) in the field but our field is empty. 499 has nothing in the field. The portrait style does look like other types of 'Mediolanum' but I have no idea how they came to that town name or how Wildwinds came to Siscia. I do know that there have been more recent studies that I have not seen in languages I do not read. I learned Latin and Greek in college but I would have done better for my numismatic education learning German (and possibly French, Bulgarian and who knows what else). RIC V is the worst of the ten volumes. You can attribute coins to RIC numbers but that does not really mean anything except that the coin was thought in the past to have been part of that mint. Some are right (perhaps most are right) but I would not bet the farm on anything based on an RIC number.
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 Posted 10/17/2012  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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 Posted 10/17/2012  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
bobbyhelmet, there's an upload page that needs id/password to submit coins but you would have to contact Dane (dane@wildwinds.com) to get the autorisation to use it. She had to put this up since her "self service" uploader was hacked some time ago. You could email her the coins/corrections directly, she always reply but sometimes it takes a little while. Don't see why she would think your ungrateful, she verify every new entries, the faults (the vast majority of them) are what seems to be "blindly" listed coins from before she took over the administration of the site.
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http://www.beastcoins.com/RomanImpe...allienus.htm

Compare your coin to 499 about 2/3 of the way down this page.
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 Posted 10/18/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
So I was not expecting my coin to churn up so much conversation. And now I'm confused. Where was my coin minted?
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 Posted 10/18/2012  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list
In many cases we have this problem. Students of the series can divide coins into groups that obviously go together but deciding whether those groups belong to different cities or to which cities is not always easy. Sometimes we get lucky as with the Alexandria mint denarii of Septimius Severus where the same mint made their Provincial tetradrachms and the style link is clear. Sometimes the traditional placement is based on a wild guess like 'Antioch was the most important city in th e East so we'll call that mint Antioch.' Sometimes there will be a clue like a grave inscription that suggests that a man worked at a mint for years so we figure there may have been one nearby. Later they started putting mintmarks on the coins that make it easy but in the time of Gallenus we are mostly reliant on style and how they indicated workshops. If coins can be chained together as likely products of one mint and one coin can be linked to a city, experts make something between an assumption and an exucated guess. If the metal in a coin can be linked by trace elements to mines in a certain region, they might asume that those coins are from that region. If finds of certain coins in mint condition are all from a region, they might assign the coins to that region. No one factor is by itself conclusive and new studies sometimes reassign what was once given to one city to somewhere else. I'm no expert in Gallienus so I don't know the basis for thinking that your coin was from Mediolanum but you can lay it out with coins of other proposed mints and see that it is different from Rome or 'Asia' (probably Turkey, Syria or the like - no claim being made to where exactly). It will be interesting to see what the next RIC edition does with these.
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