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I did read Sap's post, and every other post on this thread. I guess I asked the wrong question. I should have asked Did you comprehend Sap's post? because you obviously didn't. No action was taken on the Liberty Dollars for a dozen years, doesn't mean they didn't care. Obviously, they did. |
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Scubu, OddCoins, may I propose a third solution and say they are looking into it? If NORFED was allowed to run for HOW many years, and they were just quietly picking up evidence, who is to say--unless one of you works for the Mint--that they're not doing the same to Carr, waiting for him to step over some invisible line?
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I just re-read Sap's post. I completely understand what he is saying and I understand what you are trying to say. Daniel Carr has been making these 'coins' since 2008. He has designed coins for the government and bought a surplus die press from them. He makes no attempt to keep what he does secret. There is ZERO possibility that the government hasn't found out what he's doing. It's not important because he doesn't pretend they're legal tender, and they're NOT COPIES OF ANY REAL COINS because they are CHANGED! Similar, yes. Counterfeit, no. There is no intent to deceive. If any idiots think that a 2012 Mercury dime, or one of his Ameros is a real coin, then they are the ones that should be locked away. I'm not looking for an argument, I'm stating my opinion. If your opinion is that he is a counterfeiter, that's fine. Has anyone bought anything from him and compared it to the real deal? |
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and they're NOT COPIES OF ANY REAL COINS because they are CHANGED! Let me repeat one of my previous posts... Quote:Mr. Carr buys an old currency press and starts cranking out some series 2005 $20 FRNs and starts selling them on ebay. No different, they never existed. Not copies of any real bills. You OK with it? |
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And let me repeat one of my previous posts (that never seems to get addressed): Quote:
What if I made an exact duplicate of an existing coin and added my own "B" mint mark to it? Could I argue that it's not a copy since there aren't any "real" coins that have a "B" mint mark?
What if I made an exact duplicate of an existing coin and purposely misspelled "LIBERTY" as "LIBRETY"?
What if I made an exact duplicate of an existing coin but simply did a poor job replicating the image of liberty (too many spikes in the headdress, wrong shape of the eyes, etc.)?
Where's the line between "bad counterfeit" and "fantasy coin" when you're talking about only minor changes to a real coin design? |
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If a cop sees you doing 40 in a 25 zone and doesn't go after you, that doesn't make it OK to drive 40 in 25 MPH zones.  Do not confuse the apparent condoning and lack of condemnation with an official approval. |
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What if I made an exact duplicate of an existing coin and added my own "B" mint mark to it? Could I argue that it's not a copy since there aren't any "real" coins that have a "B" mint mark? To me, that would be walking on a thin line. That's why Daniel Carr makes other alterations to the coins. With this, I'm going to butt out of this thread. I never said it was legal, and I never said I or the government condone what he does. I do admire his work, and he is very good at it. If he was shut down and thrown in jail, I would still admire his work. The government does not care. Only the government can say whether it's legal or not, and that's that. Until either the feds or Daniel Carr explains why he gets away with it, no one will know. -Oddcoins |
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Only the government can say whether it's legal or not, and that's that. No, it is the Law which makes the determination, and the law is quite clear... Quote:
Whoever, within the United States, makes or brings therein from any foreign country, or possesses with intent to sell, give away, or in any other manner uses the same, except under authority of the Secretary of the Treasury or other proper officer of the United States, any token, disk, or device in the likeness or similitude as to design, color, or the inscription thereon of any of the coins of the United States or of any foreign country issued as money, either under the authority of the United States or under the authority of any foreign government shall be fined under this title. It is up to the government to enforce the law, which at the moment it has chose not to do. |
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Jbuck, that's pretty much what I meant. You said it better though.
I see what that law says. It just proves my point even more. The government does not care. End of story.
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The government does not care. End of story. Not really. Just because the government hasn't taken action yet doesn't mean they won't do it tomorrow. So the story is far from ended. And it certainly doesn't mean that that the Government doesn't care. As was pointed out earlier, it took the government over 10 years to finally take action against Nothaus. Unless you actually work for the U.S. Government (which I'm guessing you don't since you are from Canada), you have no way of knowing what the Government cares about or not. |
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Its impossible to know what the government is doing at the moment. They may not care they may be building a case. The only thing we can say for sure is that if they do build a case they will take their time making it, the last thing they would want is a legal precedent set for making coins they dont approve of
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The only thing we can say for sure is that if they do build a case they will take their time making it, the last thing they would want is a legal precedent set for making coins they dont approve of This. |
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The government can't even agree on a financial deal that benefits most of the people most of the time, which is what they are elected to office to do. What makes anyone here think they can decide whether to shut Carr down when even numismatic experts--who know a heck of a lot more about fantasy coins than the government, I'd imagine--are split on his legality?
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I believe we've reached the point of diminishing returns here.
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