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When trying to attribute large cents, I often visit the Goldberg site which displays the Holmes collection: http://images.goldbergauctions.com/...4&lang=1#tocYes, your specimen does appear to be Sheldon 8. There's a die break at the bottom corner of the E in LIBERTY. Also, there appears to be that bisecting die break on the reverse. While your example isn't as nice as the Holmes specimen, it's nonetheless a beauty! |
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Oh Vinnie!
Yes, S-8 IMHO. Nice coin!
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Thank you all so much for the kind words, help, and attribution, I greatly appreciate it!
I have bookmarked the site and will be using it on a 1794 to help ID it as well - would you all like me to post it too?
PCGS did certify it as a VF Details.
I have been thinking about submitting to either PCGS or NGC so that it can be reholdered (this one is pretty scuffed) and also add the variety to it.
Would that be beneficial in the long run?
All the best,
Vinnie
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Yes, these guys are amazing. I am beginning to get into early copper as well and this has been a wealth of knowledge. Oh and yes, regarding the 1794  |
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The stem of the leaves below the bust pointing way over at the 3 immediately says 8,9 or NC-4 and the the row of berries coming up to the left serif of the second S in STATES says S-8 (one S-9 and NC-4 they point between the S and O). It's an easy attribution especially on a coin with so much clear detail.
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12/03/2012 11:26 am
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Hi Conder, Thank you so much for the explanation, I will be printing it off to keep with it. I was using Breen's and also Coinfacts and was not having much luck at all. Here is the 1794 - it too is a PCGS Genuine VF Details with Altered Surfaces.  |
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Here is the last pic of the 1794.  |
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The assymetric strike of the obverse denticles probably makes this Sheldon-65
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Though I know little about varieties, these are both very nice examples of some of the nations first copper coins; even given the "details" grades. Far better than average. I would be proud having both in my collection!
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The assymetric strike of the obverse denticles probably makes this Sheldon-65 S-64, 54, or NC-6. All have the same obv and the heavy denticals at the lower left. This coin has a fraction bar that eliminates S-64. The short left stem starting just above the middle of the upper part of the ribbon, the berry below the center of the upright of the R in AMERICA, and the lack of an inner berry below the M all add up to make this S-65. NC-g has a longer stem that starts at the top of the ribbon, the berry is below the center of the R, and it does have that inner berry. I don't see the die crack down through the 9 that is usually seen on S-65 so this is an early die state for this variety. |
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Conder, Johnny, and Philadelphian,
Thank you very much for your replies and assistance.
They are two gems in my collection and I wish they could talk!
I know that normally a Details grade significantly reduces the value of most coins but it does not seem to affect the pre-1800 coins as much.
Many of the large cents available appear to have the same environmental damage as these two do.
What is normally a fair deduction price wise for the surface damage?
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Hi all, A potential new purchase popped up and I may have to move both Large Cents. I am torn on doing this but the funds would go into something that would be very hard to replace if I were to pass on it. Other than ebay, what are my best venues? -Please don't think this is a post trolling for offers, I am just hoping for help and guidance- When it comes to pricing, how badly does a Details grade effect value? Thank you for your help, Vinnie |
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Heritage Auctions - which is where the Wreath really ought to go, as I doubt you'd find ebay buyers in that price range - moved a very similar coin (PCGS Genuine, VF details) last November at $4112.50. Likewise, something similar to your 1794 fetched just over $600 earlier this month. This is stuff which does not move well outside the major auction houses. You *might* be able to contact EAC member/dealers for their opinion and possible sales interest, understanding there'd be a concession to their profit margin. |
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