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Alexander III €˜the Great' Tetradrachm

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 Posted 12/12/2012  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I found one in about equivalent condition in VCOINS for $700.
My budget would allow for (and I would be happy with), a coin like the example shown, in a grade or a grade and a half lower.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viveknair3 to your friends list
Thank You Guys for your valuable inputs ! :)

@sel_69l - Can you kindly share with me the link in VCOINS for the one in equivalent condition ?

Also how much would each one of you grade this one ?

MS Uncirculated
AU About Uncirculated
XF Extremely Fine
VF Very Fine
F Fine
VG Very Good
G Good
AG About Good
FA Fair
PR Poor
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 Posted 12/12/2012  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
The conditions you described do not generally apply to Ancients. That being said, I would grade the OP coin at VF+
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 Posted 12/12/2012  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
I would agree with Bing-the grading of ancients is rather sketchy but I would agree VF+ for this guy!
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 Posted 12/12/2012  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
At least Good VF imo But that's not as important with ancients as it is with modern coins as Bing said.

For comparison, mine was graded Near EF by Freeman/Sear...

Alexander-III-€˜the-Great'-Tetradrachm
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 Posted 12/12/2012  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list
When considering grade and price with ancients you also have to take into account surfaces, metal quality (porosity, roughness etc.). These are not always so easy to judge from images.
Martin
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 Posted 12/12/2012  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viveknair3 to your friends list
@ Dionysos - Yes I do agree the Grading do not apply to ancient coins.
A nice one that you have, good toning. Your's too is the Babylon mint, with nearly as sharp features as the one on the forum . Do you think mine would be graded near EF too by Freeman/Sear ?
It would be a useful information if you could disclose, how much you paid for it ?
Thanks once again ! ...
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 Posted 12/12/2012  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
In terms of wear/details I'd say that both coins are about the same (the one you've showed might be a little better on obverse). Yours is slightly porous overall, mainly in the reverse left field, and mine is scarcer (unrecorded variant). I paid around 900$, and I think I've made a very good deal...
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 Posted 12/12/2012  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Dionysos: A very good deal is an understatement. The OP coin does not appear to be in the same condition IMHO. It looks from the image to have been harshly cleaned, while the coin Dionysos shows has very nice toning and more even wear. I would like to see the edge view of the OP coin. Once again, the edge view Dionysos shows has a beautiful raised portrait.

Given the option to purchase either coin for the same price, I would choose Dionysos' coin over the OP coin. That's not to say that the OP coin is not nice. Just that Dionysos' coin is better, again IMHO.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
Thanks Bing

Yes, forgot to mention the high relief which is quite unusual on mine
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 Posted 12/12/2012  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
It's hard to get much better than Dionysos' coin for eye appeal!
The OP's coin is still nice, but I would probably spend more time looking around.
A better coin may turn up for a good price if you're patient--good luck!

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 Posted 12/14/2012  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viveknair3 to your friends list
Hello Guys ,
I got the coin finally shipped to me. Bought from Classical Numismatic Group (CNG) for $800. Had hard time justifying the price, but finally decided to go with it.
Believe me, it is more ornate and fine than seen in the photo! :) I'll share some more snaps soon .
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@Dionysos - My friend , I am not trying to be critical here. But below are the thoughts that just came in my mind.

At first look it does seem to be great , but looking closer to the picture of the reverse of the coin, I observed ...

1.> The stretched arm of Zeus seems to be at an angel of 170 degrees (which is very common with Amphipolis mint), unlike at 145 degrees which is common with the Babylon Mint.

2.> The left foot of Zeus seem to always rests on a foot board for Babylon Mint, lifetime issued coins. Again the foot board is found missing on coins from Amphipolis mint.

3.> Most important , Zeus's thrown seems to always have a back rest for Babylon Mints, lifetime issued coins. Amphipolis mint coins do not have such a back rest.

Yet the monogram below Zeus's thrown is exclusively from the Babylon mint, which is contradictory and hence perplexing.

Now I am not any person who can speak authoritatively on this subject. All the above observations are based on readings and going through the coin collection of various dealers and museums pieces over the past 4 months.

But I would really love to check on another authentic Babylon mint Alexander Tetradrachm with Zeus thrown not having the back rest.
Kindly share with me the links if you come across .

Will wait to hear back from you guys ...
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 Posted 12/14/2012  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viveknair3 to your friends list
Yes Dionysos , my bad !. I do agree with you
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 Posted 12/14/2012  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list
viveknair3, yours is what I would consider to be "typically" babylonian. Mine is not as "typical", that's why I like it
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