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 Posted 12/12/2012  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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I know by now you must be getting sick of my posts asking for ID's hence I'll make this short and sweet.


Dont worry about it, IDing these things is by far the most interesting part of the hobby for most of the people here.

I cant really make anything out on the first coin, a Byzantine expert required I think
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 Posted 12/12/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Wow - a pretty valuable coin then!
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 Posted 12/12/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
Excellent! Thank you so much; kudos to you. Would you say the manuel I is worth £20?
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 Posted 12/12/2012  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
After careful scrutiny I personally would question its authenticity as the centre symbol should be in-line with A and K however this one isn't. I cannot find an example which matches this.
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12/12/2012 4:47 pm
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 Posted 12/12/2012  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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Would you say the manuel I is worth £20


Well they do seem to have sold for the $100 mark in worse condition, some others (cheaper) here:

http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/git...Default.aspx
http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/git...Default.aspx
http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/git...Default.aspx
http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/dmi...Default.aspx
http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/edu...Default.aspx

Of course our friend Ilya is selling a few 'highprice' examples:

[eBayItem]320632188656[/eBayItem]
[eBayItem]350555411955[/eBayItem]
[eBayItem]320632188121[/eBayItem]
[eBayItem]320632188332[/eBayItem]
[eBayItem]320632188910[/eBayItem]

Also a couple of poorer ones on the Bay:

[eBayItem]130808714802[/eBayItem]
[eBayItem]140890915549[/eBayItem]

I'm going to try and send you a PM 123.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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After careful scrutiny I personally would question its authenticity as the centre symbol should be in-line with A and K however this one isn't.


Remember, lots of different dies all hand cut. I cant say yes or no authenticity wise with these, know little about them.

I did look at the seller though, seems OK, his BIN prices are also not too bad, certainly for some of his collections of coins. Quick glance but I didn't see anything in his shop that would put me off.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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I did look at the seller though, seems OK


Actually, forget that, I've been looking at someone elses ebay shop

Let me know if you get the PM via Email.
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12/12/2012 5:11 pm
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 Posted 12/12/2012  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
Received and replied
BTW 200 posts! yey
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 Posted 12/12/2012  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
The second coin is indeed Manuel I Comnenus and is Sear #1977, I see nothing wrong with it being legit. The first one is going to be a bit harder to ID. It's a clipped trachy which are seen mostly from 1204 to 1261 the time of the Latin rulers. The legend on this coin is one I can't figure out, I think it might be from region of Bulgaria.
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 Posted 12/12/2012  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
A possible reference to this coin might be Sear# 2048, from the Latin Rulers 1204-1261.
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 Posted 12/13/2012  05:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Is this the same Sear #2048 echizento
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http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=352737
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 Posted 12/13/2012  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list
That looks very similar, thanks Echizento and Bobby.
Bobby, that coin lot I found last night; temptation got the better of me and I ended up buying it... I'm going to speak to the seller today to see if they might be able to do me a deal on the coins you showed me as if I was to wait until the auction finishes I wouldn't receive them until after Christmas.
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 Posted 12/13/2012  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Bobby it appears to be the same.
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 Posted 12/13/2012  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Well found echizento I struggle with these badly.


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...temptation got the better of me and I ended up buying it...


You'll fit in well round here good look getting hold of the others too.
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 Posted 12/13/2012  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
These coins can be very difficult to attribute, they were not struck very well and when they are clipped it makes it more difficult to ID. I have a number of these that I have been trying to attribute for several years but still haven't been able to pin them down.
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