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It's Machine Doubling and happens quite frequently on a lot of different coins. No premium value, and not considered an error. |
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I don't think it has much value if any, found one on ebay for $2.00 |
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I wouldn't say it's not an error as the mint does not intend to double strike all their planchets.
I find lots of minor errors and I feel there is some satisfaction is saying that you found it yourself and can explain what's wrong with it.
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Question: Why is the 74-D Kennedy half with the doubling of the RUS in TRUST demand a premium and other doubling is common and of no value? |
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your right put it on ebay.you will be rich. but you would save your money by listening to people that know what they are talking about. Gary |
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I wouldn't call it a premium on the 74 D. it is $1.50 in MS-63 so there are too many to be worth the trouble of looking for it unless you are collecting the set and want to add it then you may pay more for it.
Gary
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garylcsr
not following your line of reasoning here, my 60 th ed of Yoeman's shows $150 for the 74-D double die obv, not $1.50; also did I detect a note of scarcasim in your first response are am I imagining things...don't quite follow your comments there. bob
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Bob, Hub doubling (doubled die) is rather scarce, and is created in the die making process when the design is first impressed into the bar of steel that eventually makes coins. These dies are closely inspected before being placed into service, where the doubling should be caught and the die never used. They do make it through, however, thus the coins they produce are of value and are very scarce compared to the overall mintage of any issue. Machine Doubling happens on close to half of all coins minted. It is caused by loose dies or faulty machinery, and happens with any die on any day. It is extremely common and warrants no premium value. Gary got a little bent out of shape because people often find this worthless form of doubling and sell it to equally unsuspecting collectors who end up bidding far more than the coin is worth. Others know what it is and cheat novice collectors by lying to them about what they really have. Yours is worth exactly 50 cents in the condition it is in - no more, no less. If someone wanted to argue that point, they don't know what they are talking about, simple as that. You can go back and look through the large number of posts here and see example after example of people posting the same form of doubling, and to every one of them the same thing is told. They have a normal coin - no error, no variety. What you have isn't a "neat find" - it's a normal coin that saw a bad day at the mint. It stuck to the reverse die when it was ejected, and the letters were distorted...that's all. This happened very frequently to some degree or another, and is in no way, shape, or form considered an error. |
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I never implied my coin was worth anything, in fact I stated above that I found one on ebay for $2; I never said I was putting mine on ebay but maybe that is where Gary got confused... I appreciate your information on the difference between double dies and Machine Doubling...but now I have to learn how to tell one from the other! I did clearly reference the 74D double die in my question to which he replied it didn't sell at a premium and was worth only $1.50 in MS 63, well I will offer to buy all the 74D double dies for a buck and a half if there are any takers, maybe Gary will sell me all of his. I am done with this. |
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one good indicator on double die is that the serifs are split. This picture shows what a real double die looks like, look at how the serifs on "RIB" are split  |
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BasicBob - I'll take all the 1974D DDO Kennedys you can't handle at that price, and I don't even collect half dollars...but I do like the doubling on the 74D. There's a chance that Gary was talking about the 1964 doubled dies - there are a number of them and many of them are pretty easy to spot with a 5X loupe. There are a couple that are pretty common and really don't have much collector interest - mainly because many of the people who specialize in Kennedy half dollars have an example in every known die state already and aren't interested in another half dozen. There are Lincoln cents like that too. Many of the 1960D and 1961D cent RPMs are nice looking, have nice spreads, but are out there by the bagful and are very difficult to sell. There are some particularly nice looking ones that I have rolls of. It sometimes boils down to a battle of the common die variety versus the size of the interested crowd - simple supply and demand. There are, however, those sleepers that people don't really think of. Die varieties in common date coins that really aren't common at all. There are a dozen or more doubled dies known in 1964 proof Kennedy half dollars, each one of which MIGHT have a total mintage of 2,000 coins. Still yet, because there are so many different dies and so many of them are relatively minor, most people simply overlook them as common...that's just not true. A mintage of 2,000 of ANY modern coin is a grain of sand on the beach. |
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I appreciate the information from Bryan and Coppercoins. The info on the serifs is very useful. I think I once saw a book on Kennedy half varietes and it was several inches thick. I have noticed it is very difficult to find a good 71 in circulation,most have broad rims and dull images; also many of the "U's" in Trust look like "V's", not to mention the that the mint marks tend to move around. I was going to put the half mentioned and pictured above up on the board for an opening bid of 75 cents until I figured out it wasn't worth the effort and postage for someone to buy. thanks again for the info. |
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Sorry I forgot about this thread. thanks Chuck you have it correct what I was trying to say. but as for the 74 D DDO what I was saying is that I don't have that one in my book so all I saw was the $1.50 that's the 08 Red Book if it get's a better price that's great. I don't collect them so I don't know. and yes I do apologize there was a taste of sarcasm there but it was not meant to be cutting as it was taken. like Chuck said it gets to me to see people try to get info and then still don't understand or don't want to hear what they are hearing. Coppercoins (Chuck) has been doing this for more years than most of us have been alive. myself not included. and I take most if not all what he says as fact he has probably forgotten more than some of us myself included will ever know. Gary |
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Regarding the 1974-D Kennedy double die: I knew about the high value listed in the Red Book for this coin and so when a fellow member of my local coin club offered me a BU example for $29 I snapped it up. I sent it to NGC and they slabbed it as MS64 with the doubled die attribution on the label. I eventually got tired of it (it's not a very dramatic DD, after all!) and put it up for auction on Teletrade. It sold for about $65 as I recall. Not a super rarity, but definitely worth a premium! |
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PS to my previous post:
The 1974-D double die may be rarer than we think. During several years of on-again, off-again roll searching I've found dozens of 1964 Kennedys and maybe a couple hundred silver-clads (including a 1970-S proof), plus a few Franklins and Walkers. I've found exactly one of the 1974-D double die halves. It doesn't appear to be a common coin.
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