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*ebay Scam Alert* Credit Suisse Pt Gram Bars That Are Ag

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 Posted 01/26/2013  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDCrow to your friends list
Here's an example of what I (so ineffectively) was trying to explain:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-1-Troy...em589b657cb1
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 Posted 01/26/2013  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list
I agree, that's not cool, but it does clearly state clad. If I can read that correctly is says clad on the back of the bar. In the description it clearly states what it is.
On the other hand I beleive they're trying to prey on people who don't know much about metal collecting, it's a shame.
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 Posted 01/26/2013  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add auptpdag1995 to your friends list
@SDCrow Yes, I see now. I hate ebay . . . let's legitimize what would otherwise be an obvious case of scamming. People never seem to mention the part where after the ebay sale is over and done with, there is all this fake bullion floating around in circulation and I doubt any transactions at that point include full disclosure that the bars are clad. They end up in B&M coin shops and everywhere else, in numbers higher than they otherwise would be if ebay wasn't such an easy vehicle to move it all. Did I mention that I hate ebay for bullion purchases? Anyway, let the buyer beware takes on a whole new meaning nowadays, when people have become accepting of these deceptive practices on ebay. "it said in the description it was clad, they should read that and not what's on the item being sold" and this wasn't directed at you rockdaddy, I didn't see your last response when I posted this, but I think we're all in agreement that these things are shady, whether or not they violate the letter of the ebay law so to speak *sigh*
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01/26/2013 10:28 pm
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 Posted 01/26/2013  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDCrow to your friends list
Yeah, things aren't heading in the right direction. The fake Kook I wrote about a few weeks ago was from a seller with hundreds of sales and 100% positive feedback. Since I bought, he's had around 20 negatives, and that's just people who figured out they were fakes before they left feedback.

I had done a lot of small buys on ebay, but I think those days are close to over.
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 Posted 01/26/2013  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
This guy sells Gold Flakes that may not contain any real gold. Fine print of course.

A total and outright scam, playing on words and in a very deceptive way. He should not only be banned by ebay but possibly investigated for potential criminal fraud of consumers.

My opinion only of course, but it's people selling drek like this that gives a bad name to our hobby. Ethically he is far over the edge.
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01/27/2013 5:21 pm
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 Posted 01/27/2013  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add auptpdag1995 to your friends list
Well put, westcoin!
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 Posted 01/27/2013  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

Quote:
This guy sells Gold Flakes that may not contain any real glod. Fine print of course.

Sounds as if there are more flakes here than meet the eye. Caveat Emptor!
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 Posted 01/27/2013  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list
Info like what's in this thread is a large part of what makes CCF worthwhile --- and what this info tells me is that I'm done tempting fate with any more ebay buys.
When the bad dogs out there are counterfeiting just about everything (down to and including 1 oz silver bullion coins in the sub-$50 value ballpark), I think it's time
to stick with the old LCS and reputable national online PM dealers.

I know ebay has their "buyer protection" thing, but I've seen horror stories about that and it doesn't give me enough confidence to keep begging to get ripped off by
the ebay scammers out there. I've done my share of ebay buying, but that's history now. I'm lucky I never did get ripped off.
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 Posted 01/27/2013  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rockdaddy to your friends list
It's a shame, I some times sell bullion on ebay. It just hurts small guys like me. 😢
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 Posted 01/27/2013  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fat Freddy to your friends list
You're absolutely right, but if I keep tempting fate I know for sure I'll end up getting nailed---and regrettably (at least for me), I'm not one of the rich boys with a bomb shelter
full of bullion who can afford to take that kind of hit. ebay has become a safe haven for counterfeiters, fake-mongers and fine print scammers and these days it's just too risky.

If ebay did any meaningful self-policing and restored their own integrity and credibility things might be different, but I don't see any sign of that happening. It's a shame the minority
of thieves has to impact negatively on the majority of honest sellers, but ebay is letting it happen so the responsibility for it is really on their shoulders.
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 Posted 01/28/2013  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Does Credit Suisse even make a 2.5gr Pt bar?
Those "ingots" are really rough--nothing like the real thing.
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 Posted 02/02/2013  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDCrow to your friends list
auptpdag1995, did you ever check out the bar at your local shop? What was the verdict?
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 Posted 02/03/2013  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add auptpdag1995 to your friends list
@SDCrow, not yet, we had some bad snowstorms so I didn't feature out much last week. I plan to go back on Tuesday.
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 Posted 02/07/2013  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
@auptpadag1995 I believe you asked me about where I got the Britannia's with no scratches, I didn't find my paper work yet been really busy but it appears going off top of my head, it was APMEX that bought those in November when they were released.

so for the off topic but I couldn't find the thread we were on lol
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 Posted 02/07/2013  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add auptpdag1995 to your friends list
*UPDATE* The platinum bar at my LCS wasn't fake, thankfully. I was a little tempted to pick it up, but I have an APMEX shipment on the way, and that will include a tiny bit of platinum :)
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