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Pillar of the Community
France
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Wow, that's an excellent and unexpected news ! Thanks a lot for what you are doing, here and now on ebay :) I'll continue reporting stuffs then, as I was so disappointed that I stopped that ... PS : Hope you'll help Juan Melgar in the decision to close his crook business ... ;) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Good News about ebay for a change. swamperbob, congratulations! Persistence paid off. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Matthew Crooks like Melgar are exactly the type we should be reporting. What bothers me are reports about Riddell listed contemporary counterfeits that are properly described. These coins are collectible, legal and of historic significance but they are treated identically to the Chinese or Spanish junk. Anyone who wants to send me a link to an ebay auction directly be my guest. Can't promise it will get faster action but who knows. I am still reporting and have not been told that is against any rule yet.
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New Member
Germany
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Swamperbob, I whole heartedly appreciate your knowledge and time in enlightening folks on coins that are real vs fake! Some folks on ebay may very well not know he/she has a fake in their possession and if he/she removes the item and acknowledges the insight you have given, then I'm sure the help is greatly appreciated on their end. On the other hand there are folks who know they have a fake and are just trying to make a quick buck on the unknowing. Thank you once again for using your valuable time to help others! It just goes to show how dedicated you are to the hobby of numismatics. Without folks like yourself this hobby would slowly die off. |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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Swamperbob : anything contemporary, listed properly, should stay there ... Allas, the ebay rules are not allowing this AFAIK (at least not in the coin section). Not sure how you could handle that - just not take action (you can't report them as OK I suppose ?) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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NO I have to follow the rules as written if the coin is reported and is counterfeit it would have to say so. But I can make an editorial comment that such a coin is legal and contemporary.
The glimmer of hope that I see is at the end of the tunnel might be to CERTIFY and encapsulate Contemporary Counterfeit Coins as legitimate collectible and LEGAL varieties. This might be adequate for all parties and counterfeits could be posted - just not in a raw state and only certain types. The cost of encapsulating a CCC would of necessity vary by type but it might be worth exploring in more detail.
As I see it all US counterfeits except demonetized and no longer legal tender issues could not be posted. They are all illegal under current US law.
Most monetary copies that are of "current" world coins still in circulation would also be illegal.
But non-current world coins could be encapsulated in various categories - contemporary - recent but pre-1973 - or numismatic without fear of legal involvement. We would have to mark all post 1973 and Numismatic coins with COPY to stay legal in the US. Weight, assay and class would be needed on the data window at a minimum.
There are some Riddell varieties that could be done completely without XRF in well known assays but most coins would need testing. An accessible database of tests results could be developed as a subscription service.
Just some quick thoughts.
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Valued Member
Germany
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I'm starting to see a future again in ebay! Quite conincidentially, about two weeks ago a coin that I reported as fake was taken off by ebay - the first reaction ever I had after more than a year! |
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Valued Member
Australia
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Great to hear some positive news re: ebay handling of fraudulent listings - I'm hoping that these services extend to reports from places like ebay Australia, and is not restricted to the US. It would certainly be refreshing to see a cleaner, safer environment at ebay, and may go a way towards developing stronger faith in online auction sites. Nice work. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The group I am part of takes referrals from ALL ebay's. Recently a lot of activity terminating auctions on ebay France, a couple in UK and a couple in Spain that I have seen. They do take action on the most obvious fakes the really blatant stuff without sending requests to us. Most of the real junk I submit gets cancelled and I never get asked anymore. Only a half dozen today and only three for me. One real, one fake, one suspect (not enough proof). I have not had any luck with our friend Juan Melgar. I reported several of his with BAD counterstamps but apparently got no support from anyone else for termination. The auctions ran to conclusion. That is disturbing. Although I did find out that ebay cancels auctions AFTER they end to facilitate claims by the buyers. |
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Valued Member
Australia
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Well, any step forward is a good step, from my perspective.
Keep up the good work.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Congrats Bob. It appears that you have been busy lately. I came across this description while browsing DNE Coins' inventory: Quote:
47088 Colonial Spanish Cob Silver Mexico Escudo Cast 1711 19.99
Silver, approx 3.3 grams, approx 19mm across, appears cast, probably made 50 years or so ago. Per swamperbob: I think it is one of a group that were sold together as a tourist package in the 1950's and 1960's consisting of 8E, 4E, 2E and 1E cobs. They were all plated white metal - not even a gold plate as I recall. An original period counterfeit would likely have been melted long ago. It should be a cast in all likelihood made of lead or possibly Platinum. Struck gold cob debased counterfeits from that era are virtually unknown. The earliest that appear in decent numbers are the portrait varieties. Try to save some time for Coin Community. |
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New Member
United States
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Swamperbob, I am a collector of US coins for 40 years or so and recently purchased an 8 reale from a local dealer with lots of chop marks and was hooked! I have purchased about twenty on ebay since and now think that several are probably fake. Fortunately I came across this forum and was able to stop the bleeding. I appreciate your time effort in educating new collectors and raising this hobby to the wholesome level it was when I used to cull and buy the silver coins from the lunch lady's register as a kid. I will be a regular and have lots to learn. Best, Kip Edited by Kip123
01/29/2013 9:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Kip nice to hear from new folks. Welcome to the forum. I definitely believe that the older long term collectors need to pass on and not hoard their knowledge. The point was made clear to me when I was told I had 3-5 years to live back in 1998. I wondered how to pass on what I learned in a very short time. Fortunately the doctors were just a bit wrong in their estimates and since I have been given a gift I am also passing along all I can in whatever time remains. snowman - that is one of several descriptions that Don has posted of mine. Over the 12 years or so I have dealt with him I have always found him to be a very honest person who is not out to skin anyone. He is a rare gem in a shark tank. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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...I have always found him to be a very honest person who is not out to skin anyone. He is a rare gem in a shark tank. I couldn't agree more. He's one of the most knowledgeable sellers that I have found and always has some unique coins in his inventory. |
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