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Even from afar, with that first image, those coins are business strikes, that someone put into a card. Early PL and specimen coins are like blinding mirrors....
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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This subject is probably one of the least understood areas of Canadian Numismatics. It would take pages to properly explain the goings on of the RCM collector coin program of the post war era (1946-1953). |
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Thank you all for input. I am happy with the coins as they are and will enjoy them for the time I am custodian and pass them on to my grandkids.
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@54dollarcoin: Pages of info would be great.
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I second dialog_gvf's motion... :) 54dollarcoin, I would greatly appreciate reading any information on this subject... I've been doing a lot of research in that area and not finding much of anything that's either authoritative or definitive... it definitely seems to be one of the more mysterious areas, and somewhat confusing given reference sources that relate to proof sets and specimen sets being issued. I've got a 1958 Charlton Catalogue in hand that mentions "proofs of all denominations but the cent were struck and issued in 1870"... and that in 1908 and 1911 "1000 proof sets were struck and sold in cases in each year"... and that "1,295 proof sets were struck and sold in cases in 1937"... I've always thought that these were designated as "Specimen", at what point did the terminology change...? I know that there was a previous post here regarding Charest 2009 catalogue indicating that there were RCM sets issued in holders for 1951 and 1952... I'm guessing these were pretty rare because I've never seen one up for sale on ebay. Also, population reports show a number of certified examples of '51 & '52 PL coins... And then there seems to be a running debate as to some 1953 sets being designated as "PL" and others as "Specimen"...? HELP... :) Take care, and Have a Great Tuesday! cameron93 |
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Though specimen sets were produced in most years by the RCM,they were available to the public only in 1908,1911,and 1937.Early collectors called the specimen coins "proof" but the mint insisted they were "specimen" because they were not up to par with London struck proofs. The mint did not sell coins to the public until 1949 when their Numismatic division was established.Before that uncirculated sets were sold by the Bank of Canada for face value plus postage,and consisted of circulation coins pulled from bags. The first PL coins were struck in 1949 and only in 25¢,50¢,and$1.From then `til `52 only the dollar was struck in PL in every year,the 25¢ and 50¢PL strikes were only produced in certain years. Beginning in 1953 all denominations were struck in PL.Sets came in little boxes with coins in plio pouches,as well as in the plio wrapped cardboard holders.The 1953 sets were a mix of circulation strikes and PL strikes,it was random,and any set could contain from 0 to 6 PL strikes. In 1954 sets were issued in the cardboard holder with plio wrap and contained 6 PL coins(usually).They continued like this `til the next change in 1961. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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02/05/2013 02:03 am
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So, does that mean there are no 1952 PL sets? Or that that they would be, at best, $1, 50c, 25c PL and rest business strikes?
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There are no '52 PL sets.There were no 1¢,5¢,or 10¢ PL strikes `til `53.
PL sets containing one or more circulation strike coins can be found in all years up to and including 1960,though the biggest crap shoot was in '53.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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The ICCS Population Report would suggest otherwise.
I have a 1951 cent in a ICCS holder, graded PL-63 Red. It is an older style flip, with the embossed certificate.
That said, I know it is a misattributed specimen strike. I even showed it to Brian Cornwell recently, and he admitted that it was "probably a specimen"... I keep it in the old PL flip, more as a novelty item. It just goes to show that when it comes to your collecting series, learn the strikes and trust your eyes, more than population reports.
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Not saying that Charest is the ultimate authority... but I'm guessing his work is held in regard... if there were not any sets issued in 1951 and 1952 why would this information be published in Charest 2009 guide...? It states that, "from 1951 to 1953, the coins were inserted in white cardboard and sealed in clear cellophane..." Note: this pic is from a previous reply to a post in 2009 by "chadcoins"...  |
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An SP labelled PL is annoying. But, that implies there could be PL labelled SP too!
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A 1952 Canada mint set could be purchased from the RCM in a white cardboard like the 53 to 60 sets. My question is did the sets come with 2 staples when the 54 to 60 sets didn't? |
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1951 and 1952 sets came with or without the white cardboard holders . Sometimes the sets came just in cello pouches in a small box. A very similar Style to the 1950 to 1955 Boxed US proof sets . The coins were held together in the lined box With a single staple . The cardboard 1951 & 1952 sets generally came in the same style as the 1953 to 1960 RCM sets but WITH 2 Diagonal STAPLES that appeared on the left side of the card . Some sets DID NOT have the staples. A search of the internet will find some pix of the sets in question. Most , but NOT ALL of the coins found in the sets of the early 1951 to 1953 period are pleasing business strikes , with the odd piece being PL quality . Edited by Pacificoin
11/30/2020 3:45 pm
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Prooflike,  to the Community! |
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