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Posted 02/15/2013 6:05 pm

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Here's an unbiased look / hard stats at firearms ownership and associated crime.http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...rld-graphic/
This can be spinned/spun one way or another, but in the States, Canada, UK, Japan, and most Eruopean countries at least, less firearms = less death by firearms.

Thats actually not true for the US. I wont get into the other countries because every country is different but in the US gun banned areas = more firearm deaths. The only thing I will say about England is that while their gun deaths are lower their violent crime rate is much higher which will be explained by the crime triangle I will talk about shortly.

You cannot look at the US as a whole, that skews the numbers to being anti firearm. Of course 11k murders in a country of 300 million isn't exactly an epidemic but thats not the point.

Crime concentrates in its locations. You can look up work from guys like Braga, and Weiseburd about hot spots policing. 3% of addresses are responsible for 80-90 percent of police calls. The same is true for gun crime. This is why you cant look at gun crime on these massive levels unless of course youre trying to come to an anti gun result.

What mean by that is say you look at Ohio or Illinois. You can have a ton of guns all over the state but they are illegal in Cleveland and Chicago. Chicago has already had hundreds of murders this year so it would look like Illinois has a gun problem if you looked at the state when really its just that Chicago has a gun problem and none of that has anything to do with legal guns.

The one thing I do give the Brady Center credit for is theyre one of the few places that will talk about the racial aspects of it too. Young black males are 3-5 times more likely to be a victim of gun violence than any other demographic. Unfortunately that fear leads to some of them turning to gangs to protection only making the situation worse and its a vicious circle that if the police dont do a good job you end up with Chicago.

Criminal theory is largely based around a crime triangle. The three aspects of it are a willing offender, a suitable victim and the lack of a capable guardian. When those three things happen in the same place a crime occurs, if you remove anyone of those three the vast majority of the time the crime either never occurs or gets stopped in progress.

When you take away guns you remove more potential guardians. The police are a reactionary force and cannot be everywhere at once and have to wait for crime to happen for the most part. They can reduce crime with the hot spot patrols but they cant eliminate it. This is why gun crimes is the highest in cities where the criminals know they only have to worry about the police or other gangs in the case of gang violence.

It should be noted too suicide really shouldnt be counted when looking at the numbers. If someone wants to kill themselves theyre going to do it, you really cant argue a gun is more dangerous because they chose that method instead of another one.

This isn't a political post or anything like that, every thing I stated I can give academic cites for if anyone is interested. The chemists always get to show off in the acetone talks so I thought Id chime in for a criminology one

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