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1883 And A 1921 10 Grams Weight Differance Why

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 Posted 02/12/2013  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
cant see mint marks there is a weigh differance of 10 grams why I dont now

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 Posted 02/12/2013  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
The strike is mushy and the denticles are off in places. 10 grams too light means it's not silver.

That 1883 is a very nice counterfeit. :-)
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 Posted 02/12/2013  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
test as silver by jewler
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 Posted 02/12/2013  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
Silver plate, maybe.

Or did they do a density test?
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 Posted 02/12/2013  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
On the fourth post, the eagle doesn't look correct. The coin should not be thinner than others. It doesn't look die-struck, and doesn't have a cartwheel luster.
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 Posted 02/12/2013  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
90% silver they used a water test well they put it in water what ever that means
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 Posted 02/13/2013  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
Ok, putting it in water to get its volume and then checking the weight is a density test, so whatever it's made of has the same density as silver. If they did a surface test and a ring test to see if it's silver, then ok perhaps it is silver.

This leaves us with 2 possibilities:

1) This is a thin planchet error where the coin was struck on a planchet that was rolled too thin or intended for another coin (as the Philly mint struck coins for other countries, too). This is known to happen but is exceedingly rare.

2) It's a counterfeit, potentially contemporary, purposefully struck on a thinner planchet as that's what they had.

Given the amount of detail on your coin from the pictures, I find #1 very unlikely, unless your coin was once cleaned to within an inch of its life, leaving us with #2.

In any case, we'll need higher resolution pictures (including the reeding again) to get a better idea. The ones you posted aren't quite large enough.
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 Posted 02/13/2013  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
still trying to get pic larger with out going over 100kb

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 Posted 02/13/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
have a usb camera if you need me to zero in on a area let me know what part you would like to see
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 Posted 02/13/2013  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list
Your 1883 is a Chinese Counterfeit. They mistakenly used the 1921 reverse on their earlier knock-offs. Look at the arrow feather configuration in the two examples below and compare to yours.

The 1921 Reverse


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The 1883 Reverse


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 Posted 02/13/2013  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
still dont understand why you would make a forgery out of silver
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 Posted 02/13/2013  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
Happens all the time, and when you short it by 10 grams, and a Morgan sells for $30-35+, there's a large profit margin per piece.

Or like the Micro O Morgans ( http://fakes.numismetrica.com/categ...o-o-morgans/ ) , if it's a contemporary counterfeit, it was during the era where there was less than a dollar's worth of silver in a Morgan. It would be like someone taking 20 cents worth of copper and brass and turing it into a Sacagawea dollar.
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 Posted 02/14/2013  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list
one more question I have a 1921 d
now above the mint mark D above that there is a bow or a reath on the bow or reath on the left hand side in a letter m or a 3 can you tell me what is that for
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 Posted 02/14/2013  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
It's an M for the designer's initial, George Morgan. There is also an M on the obverse at the base of Anna's neck.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list
I'm not sure if your comment about the magnet sticking was it did or it didn't. You may need to use a powerful earth magnet, not a refrigerator magnet. The counterfeit Morgans I see slam hard into my earth magnet. There is no way the Chinese would waste silver on a counterfeit coin. At least not the ones I've seen and I've seen hundreds. They walk into my shop all the time. Most of the fake Morgan's I see weigh around 21 through 24 grams. I've had heavily worn Morgans & Peace dollars that weighed 22 through 24 grams. But a nice strike would never weigh this low unless, like SteveCaruso said, it was struck on the wrong planchet. And how common would that be? Also, she looks fake too.
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