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1858 Flying Eagle - Worth Cleaning?

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 Posted 02/14/2013  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I'd soak it in acetone for a few hours ... then thoroughly rinse it under running water and pat dry with a clean, lint-free terrycloth.
Never rinse with water. Always rinse with fresh acetone, which will dry on its own with no need to pat dry with anything.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  2:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
I was thinking that this coin is actually copper-nickel isn't it? That may change things as far as using acetone. I am thinking more about coins that are mostly or all copper. Of course if that is toning nothing may lighten that up without doing something harsh like soaking it in vinegar, something you may not want to do. The only time I used that was a 1949 dime that had think gunk where the mint mark was and needed to know it to put into my Whitman book.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Yup, copper-nickel.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bbddbb10 to your friends list
What would vinegar due to the coin? Would it completely remove all toning and make the coin really shiny or maybe just lighten the toning?
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 Posted 02/15/2013  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
I think that on copper coins it would turn them orange but this isn't a copper coin, it is copper-nickel like many foreign coin. White vinegar took off thick caked on gunk that acetone wouldn't budge but I think that it removes toning. You will have to Google that.
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 Posted 02/15/2013  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
This is from eHow.com
"Distilled white vinegar, that housecleaning standard, will strip away the tarnish or patina that copper coins acquire with time and use. Mix half a cup of vinegar with a teaspoon of salt and drop in the pennies. They will lose their dullness and brown color and look newly minted very quickly."

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The Effect of Vinegar on Coins | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8533228_ef...xzz2L14XNR6M
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 Posted 02/16/2013  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list
The eHow reference might work, but also remember the old trick of using a pencil eraser to make pennies look shiny is also something that non-numismatists think is a great idea to make pennies look "new," when, in fact, coin collectors can tell the eraser-damaged cents are nowhere near a true color/look. I think I would somehow test the eHow idea before trying it on your cent.

Of course there is one other thing to consider here. If the condition of a coin as it sits nullifies any value it would have had, then I do not mind making it look presentable by cleaning it. At least then I have a decent looking, worthless coin.

I did this recently to an impaired proof JFK haf from circulation. It was only worth .50, but now it has shiny surfaces like it used to, and is still worth .50.
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Toothpaste...a little dab between your fingers and rub like crazy, just keep working it. Try it on a Lincoln first and you'll see real shortly what it can do.
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IF you decide to try to remove the gunk - in light of other not being able to ruin the value farther - instead of scrubbing it right away, it might be smart to try other solvents such as gasoline, turpentine, kerosene, ethanol, etc. But I would only expose it to it for a small amount of time to see if one of these hit the correct chemical combination to hopefully dissolve the black stuff. Who knows, you might hit on one that the black stuff is very susceptible to and therefore is lifted right off of the coin. It still would be a cleaned coin with no less value than it has now, but at least it would not have scratch marks from rubbing.
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I think it is always best to start with the least abrasive solvent than move on from there like starting with distilled water, verdi-care, and acetone then move on to more abrasive methods like vinegar and salt or others.
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Of course there is one other thing to consider here. If the condition of a coin as it sits nullifies any value it would have had, then I do not mind making it look presentable by cleaning it. At least then I have a decent looking, worthless coin.


Sometimes a cleaned presentable coin is worth more I would think since someone may want to buy it if it is presentable. Of course you can never get the market value of a problem free coin. If you could have a nice looking coin with problems or an ugly coin with problems, which would you choose? Would it be worth a few bucks more to you?
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Don't do it.
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If you could have a nice looking coin with problems or an ugly coin with problems


Not a choice I have to make because I have patience.

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 Posted 04/05/2013  04:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dragonheart7 to your friends list
I have same coin as yours given to me by my WW2 veteran grandfather.
Other suggest white vinegar..but I think it's very acidic.

The simple answer is, you shouldn't try to clean old coins yourself. Anything you have at home that's more potent than distilled water and a soft cloth will end up harming the metal even more than the crud that's already on it.

You might show it to a couple of dealers at a coin show and see if they have anything that might help restore it professionally, but it's pretty doubtful. Restoration is usually only practical for extremely valuable pieces such as coins recovered from a shipwreck. Given that a large-letter 1858 Flying Eagle cent retails for about $35 in VG-8 condition, the cost of conserving it would probably exceed its collector value.
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The black stuff ia most probably a very heavy patina of INorganic copper sulphides, chlorides and oxides.
If that is the case organic solvents won't have any effect.

The black stuff can be removed, and I won't say how, because the coin will obviously looked cleaned, with a gauranteed loss in value.
If you REALLY want it cleaned, seek professional advice. Remember, most ancient coins need to be cleaned after being dug up. Some of these are unrecognisable before cleaning.
dragonheart7 is right about cleaning costs, unless you have bulk lots of coins needing cleaning, as with ancients.
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