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Diocletian Antoninianus

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 Posted 02/17/2013  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list
A nice coin,it's Victory on Globe and it has a dot in exergue XXI.

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 Posted 02/17/2013  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list
It seems to me to have a dot before and after XXI making me wonder if we are missing something on the mint ID or if RIC just got tired of listing variations.
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 Posted 02/17/2013  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list
A dot on the left side was also my first impression, but I think it might be the end of the X, if so it's from the Heraclea mint. A similar coin Lanz Auktion 154 nr. 493. But Wildwinds goes for Cyzicus:

http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/...C_0306.2.jpg

With 2 dots probably also Heraclea.

I agree with Doug there are so many variations, in fact you you have te be specialized in these antoniniani.
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 Posted 02/17/2013  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list
I am looking in Sear's IV; I have been trying to learn how to use this thing since I got it for X-mas. Anyway...

I found:

(Below is from page 79)
D. IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS AVG
a. Rad. and ciur. bust r.
b. Rad.,dr. and cuir. (or dr. only)bust r.

(Below is from page 94)
Sear # 12635 Billon antoninianus. Db (sometimes with dot below).
Rev. CONCORDIA MILITVM, as 12633, XXI (sometimes followed by dot) in ex., officia mark A-S(= 1-6) in field. RICv,ii,p.253, 306.

All but the type of bust seams to match up. I think? Not sure if this is any help but its my stab at it. Feel free to corect me, but I say its Sear IV #12635:)
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 Posted 02/17/2013  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Thanks guys, attribution sure gets confusing on some of these. It does appear to have a dot both in front and behind XXI. I don't see a dot under bust. So I can rule out RIC V-2 306A and stay with 306. Is it Cyzicus Mint or Heraclea? That part still confuses me.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list
With two dots it must be Heraclea, take a look at the ANS database:

http://numismatics.org/search/resul...ue&start=160

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 Posted 02/18/2013  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Hope I'm not confusing things more, I went back to Helevtica and with the .XXI. it's RIC V-II 284 Heraclea.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
very nice
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 Posted 02/18/2013  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
echizento I think you nailed it! It is a perfect match for RIC V 284A, Diocletian AE antoninianus. Heraclea, AD 291. IMP C C VAL DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right / CONCORDIA MILITVM, Jupiter presents Victory on a globe to Diocletian. Delta between them. Mintmark dot XXI dot.
Thanks!
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 Posted 02/18/2013  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eddop to your friends list
I'am sorry disturbing your party but it can't be that RIC number, your obverse titel is IMP CC VAL DIOCLETIANVS AVG.
not IMP CC VAL DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG.

So Heraclea but not in RIC with this obverse titel I would say.

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 Posted 02/18/2013  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Ed I didn't catch that there was no PF, so it couldn't be 284. So I agree it's not listed in RIC.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Now that lets the air out of my balloon. So it's not 306 or 284.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Doesn't appear to be. It's one of those coins that just didn't make it into RIC.
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 Posted 02/24/2013  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
After receiving the coin, I am thinking that this is not a dot XXI dot. Here are photos, what are your thoughts? If it's just a XXI dot, are we looking at RIC 306 again?

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 Posted 02/24/2013  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
It does look like XXI dot.
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