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Sintered/Annealed 50ct Coin? Showing Copper Surface?

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 Posted 04/21/2013  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list
Sorry, Moneybags, I drew that conclusion from your second pic. It looks a little corroded in that one.
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 Posted 04/21/2013  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneybags to your friends list
Thanks trout, do you think it could be a Piebald pattern annealed error? shiny nickel, shiny copper & a little brown? I am sure a Piebald pattern is still an improper annealed coin!
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 Posted 04/21/2013  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I have a 1936 penny in aEF with strange toning only on the reverse that I have put down to environmental damage.


Sintered/Annealed-50ct-Coin?-Showing-Copper-Surface?

Sintered/Annealed-50ct-Coin?-Showing-Copper-Surface?
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 Posted 04/21/2013  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneybags to your friends list
ok, does anyone have a similar picture of this type of coin?(my coin). I would like to compare photos? .If a blank was over heated in an annealing oven, doesn't some of the copper separate to the top? cheers.That's how it looks to me!
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04/21/2013 01:40 am
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 Posted 04/21/2013  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
I think you need to look at this old thread it will shed some light on your coin
https://goccf.com/t/122618&whichpage=3
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 Posted 04/21/2013  03:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneybags to your friends list
sorry trout It is no pub coin not by a long shot. The coin is not corroded either. The thread all wrong! Not a pub coin or road kill or found in a park! I still have no viable or plausible answers? To shiny, non corroded and not damaged in a Mechanical sense, it looks way to organic to be tampered with to. I see green patina, nickel & shiny copper all through the heads side! There is something else to this coin. Can someone please think of a more plausible answer other than Pub coins, or buried in earth dirt. Floating separated nickel & copper due to extreme heat in oven. That looks more like the picture of the coin. Cheers peoples.
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 Posted 04/21/2013  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
I thought the in your original post meant you made the coin go this colour an thats what made me think you were joking.

Looks to me like you have a damaged coin, not an error. Keep looking for an error in it by all means but you aint gonna find one. Listen to what others have said.
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 Posted 04/21/2013  05:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sfitzernator to your friends list
Regardless of the outcome, Moneybags, thank you for this thread. I just read through the entire thread that your first post referred to, and found it extremely absorbing! Keep asking, Keep questioning, and by all means, Keep posting :)
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 Posted 04/21/2013  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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sorry trout It is no pub coin not by a long shot. The coin is not corroded either. The thread all wrong! Not a pub coin or road kill or found in a park


You asked a question about a coin and I gave you my considered opinion along with other more esteemed and more experienced members and the consensus is that this IS a PMD coin.
Why do you persist with the idea that this is a planchet annealing flaw when it clearly isn't
IF I had the time and the inclination I could easily make a similar coin for you in my shed
Simply put this coin in a 2x2 and save it so that in a few years you can look at it and think "What a dill I was thinking that".
Stick around in this forum and you will learn some invaluable knowledge about coins and errors
if you totally disagree with the opinions posted you can always send it to a TPG and get the coin verified.
IF the coin comes back with a description of "annealed planchet flaw" then I WILL apologise without reservation
Until then I am right and YOU are wrong
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 Posted 04/21/2013  08:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
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 Posted 04/21/2013  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oh my florin to your friends list
Hi this coin is not an annealing error as said by trout and other members. This is because of a few key factors. Annealing is the process of melting two metals together by heating them up to a critical point to create an alloy in this example cupronickel which is produced in massive sheets and for an annealing error to occur the annealing furnace would have to be significantly higher than normal to cause the metals to reach a critical point (the point at which the metals will seperate) but your coin looks like pure copper on the outside so if what you are saying is true then we should be able to see the nickel on the outside of the coin if only a small amount but there is none visible.

Anyway no annealing error has ever been sighted that is so severe it turns the whole coin a different colour it is always only parts of it.

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 Posted 04/21/2013  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneybags to your friends list
Good Morning, thanks to you all who answered my post. I just got a little frustrated with no real detailed answer. I wont clean up the coin until I can show it to a Dealer one day hand to eye, to get a clear point of view on it.
Mr trout man, We would love to see your coin if you could make it if it is possible. Cheers in kind to all.
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 Posted 04/21/2013  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
I agree with the others that this is PMD.
One thing I observed is that the discolouration on the bottom right of the coin changes where the rim is. Ie discolored field and not discoloured on rim. If it was the blank, then I would not expect on change on the rim. That part of the coin also looks to me like it has had liquid on it which caused the colour and the liquid evaporated leaving the colour.
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 Posted 04/21/2013  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The 50c looks like PMD to me, although it may have been caused naturally.
Over the years, I have seen a few copper nickel coins, of all countries, that quite obviously look to be copper, but in fact, are not.

An aggressive environment can cause this over a period of years, which would also require to coin to be out of circulation to allow the coin to change appearance, especially if the change was happening in natural circumstances.

Differential 'toning' such as this could occur if the coins were heaped, not stacked.

I also see the possibility of a 'pub coin', to fool unknowing intended buyers, but it could equally also be just the result of 'shed job' with some innocent fooling around.

I do that with modern circulating coins (rarely) just to entertain myself. They all go back into circulation , because I can't see any point in keeping them.
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 Posted 04/21/2013  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
There are actually examples of Australian coins with annealing errors that have caused the entire coin to appear copper. I have sighted a PCGS verified 20c which appeared to be completely copper. This coin has all the signs of a damaged coin. Take it to a dealer and they will say exactly the same thing. If that gives you peace of mind then by all means go for it.
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