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Possible Coin Pendant Or Seal Portuguese

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 Posted 04/30/2013  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcmworld to your friends list
The Xerafim of this date only had the shield with O-D and the cross on reverse with the date.
KM illustrates this piece.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
this is not made from lead I can tell you that now as museum have said its not lead but metal which was gilded so are we still thinking this is a coin then, if what era and any examples
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 Posted 05/01/2013  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rooneydog to your friends list
jcm thinks it is a variant of this

http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...oinid=271029

I am not to sure given the shape of the cross and other details
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 Posted 05/01/2013  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
similarities, as it has a shield also, cross is alot different the on ont he object I have is square on the eds doesn't point out like that cross, also in each corner of the cross there is five pellets unlike the other one shown on the link, also we can see the d on this coin but I dont think the other letter the other is an "o", more like an F or an L
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 Posted 05/01/2013  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
In coins and heraldry, the "square ends" make a cross potent. This is one of the three things I feel we need to see before we can say we've identified this as a particular coin of Portuguese India or Portuguese Malacca: a cross potent, five pellets in each angle of the cross (instead of the numerals of the date), and a Latin legend. I think this was a good job in finding the mintmark letters to either side of the shield, though!
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 Posted 05/01/2013  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
From what I can see I think the smaller shield has anchor and rope in the centre from what I can make out, along the bottom there seems to be the number 8 and 0 of its a B and an O I have negative shots of this object you able to make out the anagrams more clearly if any wishes for these photos let me know
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 Posted 05/01/2013  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rooneydog to your friends list
Hope you don't mind me posting these Joseph.



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Hopefully Phil can work his magic.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
Of course not saves me time thanks mate regards Joseph
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 Posted 05/01/2013  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
In the negatives aswell you can clearly see the gold gilding was present all over this object
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 Posted 05/01/2013  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
yes hopefully phil can, I can say now I have been through book after book and researched for 4 weeks online nothing, apart from similarities in others nothing that matches this
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 Posted 05/01/2013  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list
Since it's been brought up, there really isn't any detail in this shield that confirms it's the arms of Portugal. There is a bordure, or band around the edge, but the Portuguese arms feature a " bordure of Castile," which has a series of castle turrets along its length. This bordure looks like a deep trench, so I was thinking it might once have been filled with enamel decorated as the bordure of Castile, as coinsoul suggested. The central design should be five tiny shields, arranged in the form of a cross. Of course, the crude colonial issues seem to lack some of these details to varying degrees.
Thanks for the better pics, rooneydog. More food for thought.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
Pass the photos round see if we an get some
More info on this object it's frustrating not knowing what it is and era ect
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 Posted 05/02/2013  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
sorry but I have not got this one listed anywhere.. for me it is carolos II of spain, minted for south america(columbia,peru,bolivia,etc).

I HAVE HAD THIS INFORMATION BACK WHATBDO YOU GUYS THINK
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 Posted 05/18/2013  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add willieboyd2 to your friends list
This is really an interesting item and I hope that someone can find out what it is.

I personally don't believe that this is a coin.

:)
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 Posted 06/10/2013  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoul to your friends list
Yes willie so do I very frustrating when you can't fully identify the item
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