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ATB 5 Ounce Silver Uncirculated Coin Question

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 Posted 05/17/2013  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug58s to your friends list
link - I went to the Coinnews.net website and actually was looking at mint numbers when you posted.

The production numbers are estimates based on demand. On several of the offerings there just wasn't enough demand to justify keeping them up for sale. (IMO)

I am actually buying these now - since the price dropped below $200 - and after I got my first I agree they are quite the coin. I think the 25,000 will probably start to sell out more regularly at this price... (again my opinion).
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 Posted 06/09/2013  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Elmo to your friends list
I got lulled into thinking the 2012's would be on sale into 2013 like they did with the 2011.

Joke was on me, got to Acadia and I paused to pay bills, Xmas shopping, heating fuel, etc. Then I find out Volcanoes and Denali are gone.

This year, I am not taking the chance again and subscribed. If I find a good price one on e-auction, I might just leave it sealed and store it. The quality of my White Mountain is horrible.

Is it possible some millionaire just decides to buy the remaining lot to drive demand?
I would hope the mint has SOME limits.

BTW, the Oracle of Omaha, joked about those seeking gold and said "you just run into a cave with it" comparing it to equities. That SOB only became famous by cornering the silver market to drive demand (avec prices) sky high. I see it alot, only in the market they call it "pump and dump".
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 Posted 06/09/2013  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
I've gotten one of every uncirculated ATB puck releases thus far and it's been interesting (if not a bit frustrating) to see Ag go up and down so wildly. nearly $50/oz for Hot Springs and now we're hovering around $21.50.

woof.

It's always difficult to drop money on an expensive coin when there are bills to pay, gifts to buy, etc. But in my experience it's worse to buy them all later, even if you can find them cheaper than retail.

@Elmo: "Oracle of Omaha"...hahaha love it!
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 Posted 06/09/2013  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list
Picking up as many 2013 5oz bullion coins as I can. For $130 per coin, it's a real deal. The 2013s won't be perceived as rare as the 2012s, the While Mountain is stalled out at 25,800 coins sold, and the Mint "might" restart production on this design again, if there are enough on demand orders from the APs. Last year, the 5 designs were 24, 24.4, 25.4, 20, & 20K, and the 25.8 could be all they made initially. Bullion sales ended early in November for Hawaii and Denali with at least six weeks left in the year.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hu5kers77 to your friends list
I noticed that 5 oz ATB's through Provident and APMEX do not come with original coa and packaging. Is the only way to get this by purchasing through the US Mint? Is that why there is such a big difference in pricing?

Provident $128.05 for Mount Hood ATB vs $179.95 at the US Mint.

My apologies if this is the wrong place to post this question. Thank you guys in advance.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Hu5kers theres two types of the coins. The ones selling for 128ish are the bullion ones which dont have COAs or boxes. The ones the mint sells are the collector version and have a P mint mark on them which do come with those things. Provident and APMEX usually sell the P ones as well which will have a higher price and should come with all the government packaging
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 Posted 06/09/2013  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hu5kers77 to your friends list
Thank you for your help basebal21, that makes sense and it makes me very happy. I have been wanting to add one of these coins to my stack for months but didnt want to pay the hefty premium. Yesterday I was at my LCS and I was able to pick up the 2011 Glacier and Olympic versions with original packaging for $135 each.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Some people do get lucky and their local shop doesn't differentiate between the P versions and the bullion versions. If they have the P mint mark thats a great deal and I would be very happy too. Id buy as many Ps for 135 as I could, they usually sell for a lot more than that on ebay.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doug58s to your friends list
hu5kers77 - check the finish on the ones you purchased. The mint issued collectors version has a frosted finish (the bullion is more mirror like) - if the frosted are the ones you bought - then basebal is right that was a great price. If it is a bullion coin in mint packaging the $135 isn't terribly bad - just deceptive - and considering what those sold for in 2011 still a fair purchase.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list
Have to agree. I would buy any and all P-version pucks I could get my hands on at $135. They go for $200 on E-Bay all day long. Great score.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hu5kers77 to your friends list
Thank you guys for helping me finally understand these coins and I am the confirmed owner of two P minted ATBS, wohoo! I was having the hardest time figuring these coins out, should have asked months ago. I like simple, and distinguishing between the types by looking for P versions is simple. Now the question is, can I settle for the bullion version from this point forward or do I pay the extra premium?
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 Posted 06/09/2013  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list
That's a really good buy, hu5kers77, considering those never sold for less than $204.95 from the Mint when they were available. So you saved yourself a tidy $140 on those two coins. It could be the original owner was given them & didn't know what he/she had or simply needed immediate cash and sold it to your LCS owner who might have been just as confused about these coins, and could've have easily sold these @ $180 each and made a good profit as no way would these collector coins sell for spot unless the bottom totally fell out of the market.

As for your other question, it depends if you are collecting for profit or purely for pleasure, and how hard of a hit your wallet can take. This series has its ups and downs. A year ago $204.95 was a decent mark up for a collector coin, now even $179.95 is a stiff premium. Over time, the series will balance out and most collectors will make a profit on these if they think long term.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Merc Man to your friends list
To me, the bullion puck is just a 5 oz. hunk of silver. Sure, they have the same design but I don't see them ever being in as high demand as the P-version collector coin. If you are looking to "collect" the series I would stick with the P-version. That is what I am doing anyway.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Agreed with merc about which one to chose.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hu5kers77 to your friends list
Thanks again for all of the feedback. I think that I will stick to the P-version, at least those that I like, easier on the wallet that way. I may pull the trigger on White Mountain and definitely do the Great Basin ATB coin.
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