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Does Anyone Know If These Coins Are Fake Or Genuine?

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 Posted 06/06/2013  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
On second thought it may actually be closer to the era in question. I am not good at dating these but it might at least fall in the lifetime of the 'Galilean' which is what I assume you are hoping ! Someone else can tell you more than I .
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 Posted 06/06/2013  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list
Shouldn't there be more of a date on the right field of the reverse? I don't know much about Tyre shekels but an LG date would put it at 125/4 wouldn't it? I thought L was just a designator of the date since "L" was Lambda in the greek alphabet which had a different character
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GLss to your friends list
I think it is 50-70 BC not sure though.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Other issues beginning with L and with similar placement/size/font are all around 100BC, so I think this ones pretty early.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
L = means year.

"G" Gamma = yr 3. So... 126 BC = 3 yrs is 123/2 BC. A very early Tyre Shekel. I'd say you would be good at around $ 150 - $ 200 (high end)for the non serious collector.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GLss to your friends list
btw, the head is that of Melkarth = Tyrian god (Hercules)
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GLss to your friends list
mmm thank you Ancientnoob for the info, but I didn't get how the date is computed :S
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
They have a different dating system in which 126 is year zero. Apparently, G (which is the greek letter gamma here) means 3 years. So, 3 in their dating system is 126BC + 3 years, which makes 123BC.

Im not sure about $150 with such extensive damage, but some people go nuts for this stuff.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whizb4ng to your friends list
When counting is it three years from the date so wouldn't 126/5 be year 1 125/4 year 2 124/3 Year 3? Sorry I know it is just silly semantics but I am still getting my head around dating most of the time.

Would they have referred it as "year zero" I mean if the calendar begins in 126/5 then that would logically have been year 1 wouldn't it?
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Ohh I see.. Thanks BenByfield !
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 Posted 06/06/2013  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
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As the others have said the second coin is real. However I have my doubts on the first one. would need to see clearer pictures of both sides of the coin.
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 Posted 06/06/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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When counting is it three years from the date so wouldn't 126/5 be year 1 125/4 year 2 124/3 Year 3? Sorry I know it is just silly semantics but I am still getting my head around dating most of the time.

Would they have referred it as "year zero" I mean if the calendar begins in 126/5 then that would logically have been year 1 wouldn't it?

Correct. The ancients had no concept of "year zero"; very little concept of zero at all, as their numeral systems usually demonstrate. Greek philosophers had a field day debating whether zero was a number or not. The first day of reign of a new ruler or founding of a city was Day 1 of Year 1. For the same reason, the BC/AD calendar does not have a "year zero" between 1 BC and AD 1.

Therefore, this coin dated Year 3 of the Tyrian calendar would correlate to 124/123 BC; because their Day 1 of Year 1 occurred partway through our year 126 BC, Tyrian years do not have a precise one-for-one correlation with our years.
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 Posted 08/05/2013  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GLss to your friends list
Does anyone know if it's legal to buy such coins in Lebanon?
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 Posted 08/05/2013  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
No idea about Lebanon's laws, But I just realized I calculated wrong....Whiz/Sap you guys are right I just counted on my fingers and yall are right....D'oh!
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