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Grade A Proof(Like) Gold Eagle 1988

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 Posted 05/22/2007  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
I have been a professional colormatcher in my first life
First thing you do on Cielab is going all blue
that will show that the "marks" have the same color as the underlayer and therfore are lint


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 Posted 05/22/2007  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Melt +3% is an excellent price! The current selling price from the US Mint for the 2007 version is $400.
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 Posted 05/23/2007  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Wether melt plus 3% is an excellent price is debatable
but I agaree it is a nice price
A fully insured delivery to the US would cost 35 euro ;but if it is in the condition I think or the condition my friend thinks I could offer it on ebay UK or Germany and turn an immidiate profit

The best I did sofar is pick up proofs at 20% below goldprice
Like the poor seller who decided to put a canadian proof on ebay France which is asking for trouble if you have no reserve
The French only buy Napoleons or Angels or sheep etc
or even knights on horseback if they are called Jean le Bon
Edited cause pic did not show


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05/23/2007 07:23 am
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 Posted 05/23/2007  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
I do not seem to have much graders wanting to learn to buy ungraded
for 3% over melt

A hint

My friend and me agreed about the proof
we agreed about the lint
we agreed about the devices being trouble free
we agreed about a problem in the fields
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 Posted 05/24/2007  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Color is subtractive in colored light ( all colors together make white) but color is additive in solids ( all colors together in let's say plastic and mixed make black )

First I went all blue on top I went all green and here is were the
disagreement between me and my friend originated
Not in what we see but why we should see this at all
Anybody want to venture a guess ?



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 Posted 05/24/2007  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
And this is the reverse



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 Posted 05/24/2007  06:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
With the last set of pics, it looks like there might be some hazing beginning. My original feel for this coin was PF68 or 69. Now I'm not so sure. I went back to the original pics after looking at the green and I can see it in those now also. I now feel the grade is at PF66-67.

You still did well at the price you paid.
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 Posted 05/24/2007  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Well as you say
at that price it is a good deal whatever the PF grade
We are at PF 65+ Cameo untill I can scan it myself

However my first reaction was finger grease and acetone and my friend does not agree because as he pointed out the sunrays are reflected in the proof mirror and the bottom eagle in the nest is also reflected in the mirror
So he thought it was a cameo but not a deep cameo so in other words sloppy work at the mint
As possible causes before the coin arrives we have

1) finger grease ( my idea )
2) only cameo ( bad job of mint my friends idea )
3) Smudges on the lense system of the vendor ( idea of both of us)
4) jpeg boogies
5) bad dipping or solventing with chrystalisation

Now I have never in my life stacked three manipulations of color on top of each other but what I got was what looks like chrystalisation of a salt deposit of a bad dip or bad solventing job or possibly absolute jpeg boogies

Modified because I just invented a PF 95 grade

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05/24/2007 07:56 am
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 Posted 05/24/2007  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Now having two days of unexpected leasure I went boldly where no one has gone before
Following is either the explanation of the coin or complete jpeg boogies since my mother file I received from the vendor was 600 dpi
jpeg which I saved as bitmap and manipulated as bitmap

I took the blue and the green to the max and then saved and took the blue a second time to the max and got discrete pointlike things
If this is real it would mean a botched up solventing job by somebody
And clearing up botched up solventing jobs are my speciality
I got a dozen solvents here in my hobbyroom
However I will decide base on my own scans whether the coin needs solventing


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 Posted 05/24/2007  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Very interesting analysis Ageka! I enjoy reading your photo breakdowns and I eagerly absorb the knowledge of your experience
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 Posted 05/24/2007  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
quote:
Very interesting analysis Ageka! I enjoy reading your photo breakdowns and I eagerly absorb the knowledge of your experience


Thank you
I learned all I know about coins from Frank a guy who started life as a computer mainframe programmer and continued for a few years as a photoshop expert converting hardcopy to restored digital and then had a real brick and stone coinshop with his wife . Him buying estates ; grading the coins and ebaying the best of them .
Now he is doing photograding and his results NGC slabbed are up to MS67PL ( I find the coins on any of the european ebays , he buys them and slabs them )
My coins sofar I scan them and put them in a bankvault . He says I got at least one coin which he never saw in that grade in real life .

The color breakdown is my own idea
Of course it helps I got a colormatching degree from a place in US New Jersey and that I knew all about CIELAB having started up a colormatching system with 5 people . A spectrophotometer coupled with a mainframe is supposed to be able to analyse and duplicate any color
in plastic .

Did you know a human eye can distinguish between several hundred greytones were a computer cannot ?
On the reverse a human eye is very bad in the oranje region were
a computer sees at least 400 % better then a trained human eye
Therefore I first go to blue to equal things up
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 Posted 05/27/2007  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guido to your friends list
I remember when you first told me about the blue screen deal. I finally was able to do it with photoshop and have been very pleased with what it shows. I still use it whenever I look at raw coins I want to buy (mainly St Gaudens). Thanks again.
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 Posted 05/27/2007  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
I am glad I was able to help you
As I said it has mostly to do with the human eye being very insensitive in the orange reagion . Going to blue improves what you are able to see by 400%
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 Posted 06/04/2007  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
I got the coin today and it was in a 2x2 with ultrathin "invisible" plastic stapled with ministaples four times on the diagonals very close to the coin . It came from France and I have never seen this type of 2x2 before ( I buy Dutch - German 2x2's )

The coin could well have been photographed in the 2x2 and photoshopped to discard white and that would then explain the loss of mirror relflection my color manipulations picked up and the chrystalisation pattern of the last manipulation I made

I now got the same problem as the previous owner
How to get the 4 small staples out without damaging the coin
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 Posted 06/11/2007  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Apart from some dust the Lady is allright Pr68 or better



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