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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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A multinational cancelled two days of work so I got some unexpected free time before being totally retired  I bought this coin I am showing and this is one of the few times my photograding friend and me are not agreeing 9 out of 10 disagreements I lost sofar The coin was offered by a mayor coinhouse without any description whatsoever only guaranteeing the foto's are of the real coin We seem both to agree it is a real proof We disagree about the condition Since it will take a week to arrive ; anybody wanting to take a try at it is welcome . I will post the scan of the coin early june . |
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Pillar of the Community
 Belgium
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Now let's see if I can get the original foto's downsized from 600 dpi  |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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I asked my computer 600 wide and only got 400 otherwise it jpegged down allright What really keeps me in suspended animation is that the vendor's email and telephone were both out of working order and that I could not ask any questions ; but since I bought several times there I hope for the best  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Ageka,
It is definitely a proof- notice the P mintmark on lower right obverse. The bullion Eagles will only have a mintmark if it is a proof(other than the 20th anniv special finish coins from 2006- they had W mintmark).
It is kind of strange that this coin is not in its original airtite-style holder that came from the Mint, unless it was removed for photo purposes. It is hard to tell if some of those "marks" are lint or if they are actual marks. I will go PR67 on it but the value doesn't vary much at all in mid-high proof.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Biokemist
I did not know about the mintmark since I am into worldcoins and there are so many countries and my american friend told me the coin was a proof allright
I acquired the coin for gold value plus 3 % so I do not care very much about the state it is in
I really wanted to know whether my photograding american friend was wright again or not
The professional coinseller who got several thousands goldcoin sales per year and who knows how to photograph coins should really learn not to use a lintbreading underlayer
You were astute enough to see all the lint from is underground
which was the first thing me and my friend noticed and agreed upon .
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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I have been a professional colormatcher in my first life First thing you do on Cielab is going all blue that will show that the "marks" have the same color as the underlayer and therfore are lint  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Melt +3% is an excellent price! The current selling price from the US Mint for the 2007 version is $400.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Wether melt plus 3% is an excellent price is debatable but I agaree it is a nice price A fully insured delivery to the US would cost 35 euro ;but if it is in the condition I think or the condition my friend thinks I could offer it on ebay UK or Germany and turn an immidiate profit The best I did sofar is pick up proofs at 20% below goldprice Like the poor seller who decided to put a canadian proof on ebay France which is asking for trouble if you have no reserve The French only buy Napoleons  or Angels or sheep etc or even knights on horseback if they are called Jean le Bon Edited cause pic did not show  Edited by ageka
05/23/2007 07:23 am
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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I do not seem to have much graders wanting to learn to buy ungraded for 3% over melt  A hint My friend and me agreed about the proof we agreed about the lint we agreed about the devices being trouble free we agreed about a problem in the fields  |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Color is subtractive in colored light ( all colors together make white) but color is additive in solids ( all colors together in let's say plastic and mixed make black ) First I went all blue on top I went all green and here is were the disagreement between me and my friend originated Not in what we see but why we should see this at all Anybody want to venture a guess ?  |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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And this is the reverse  |
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Forum Mom
 United States
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With the last set of pics, it looks like there might be some hazing beginning. My original feel for this coin was PF68 or 69. Now I'm not so sure. I went back to the original pics after looking at the green and I can see it in those now also. I now feel the grade is at PF66-67. You still did well at the price you paid. |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Well as you say at that price it is a good deal whatever the PF grade We are at PF 65+ Cameo untill I can scan it myself However my first reaction was finger grease and acetone and my friend does not agree because as he pointed out the sunrays are reflected in the proof mirror and the bottom eagle in the nest is also reflected in the mirror So he thought it was a cameo but not a deep cameo so in other words sloppy work at the mint As possible causes before the coin arrives we have 1) finger grease ( my idea ) 2) only cameo ( bad job of mint my friends idea ) 3) Smudges on the lense system of the vendor ( idea of both of us) 4) jpeg boogies 5) bad dipping or solventing with chrystalisation Now I have never in my life stacked three manipulations of color on top of each other but what I got was what looks like chrystalisation of a salt deposit of a bad dip or bad solventing job or possibly absolute jpeg boogies Modified because I just invented a PF 95 grade Edited by ageka
05/24/2007 07:56 am
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Now having two days of unexpected leasure I went boldly where no one has gone before Following is either the explanation of the coin or complete jpeg boogies since my mother file I received from the vendor was 600 dpi jpeg which I saved as bitmap and manipulated as bitmap I took the blue and the green to the max and then saved and took the blue a second time to the max and got discrete pointlike things If this is real it would mean a botched up solventing job by somebody And clearing up botched up solventing jobs are my speciality I got a dozen solvents here in my hobbyroom However I will decide base on my own scans whether the coin needs solventing  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very interesting analysis Ageka! I enjoy reading your photo breakdowns and I eagerly absorb the knowledge of your experience |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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Very interesting analysis Ageka! I enjoy reading your photo breakdowns and I eagerly absorb the knowledge of your experience
Thank you I learned all I know about coins from Frank a guy who started life as a computer mainframe programmer and continued for a few years as a photoshop expert converting hardcopy to restored digital and then had a real brick and stone coinshop with his wife . Him buying estates ; grading the coins and ebaying the best of them . Now he is doing photograding and his results NGC slabbed are up to MS67PL ( I find the coins on any of the european ebays , he buys them and slabs them ) My coins sofar I scan them and put them in a bankvault . He says I got at least one coin which he never saw in that grade in real life . The color breakdown is my own idea Of course it helps I got a colormatching degree from a place in US New Jersey and that I knew all about CIELAB having started up a colormatching system with 5 people . A spectrophotometer coupled with a mainframe is supposed to be able to analyse and duplicate any color in plastic . Did you know a human eye can distinguish between several hundred greytones were a computer cannot ? On the reverse a human eye is very bad in the oranje region were a computer sees at least 400 % better then a trained human eye Therefore I first go to blue to equal things up |
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Posted 05/22/2007 1:21 pm
