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1921 Morgan

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 Posted 06/09/2007  5:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I won this one from my local coin shop bid board last week. Morgans are not one of my strong points so let me know what you think about it. I thought that it looked very nice for a 1921. From what I know about them, I think they are usually a bit scruffy and lacking full cartwheel luster, correct?

There are a couple milky spots on obv by "P" and the eye. Rev has a few scattered milky spots and an odd luster breaking scuff at OF.

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 Posted 06/09/2007  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy oh boy, get thoes milk spots out of the reverse and this is an obverse limited coin. That is if the milk spots affect grading... I'm still a "rookie" compared to some of the folks here with grading, but I keep trying....I would give this an easy MS64. I think that reverse is just fantastic. I haven't seen such clean fields in a post in a long time. Again, I'm still learning, so definitely wait for the Morganites to show up.

BTW, looks almost PL as well.
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 Posted 06/10/2007  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm likin' this one.

Biokemist, that's a tremendous strike for a '21. It's rare to see the hair detail, cotton bolls, and lower wreath leaves as strong as they are on your coin. Yes, I know, the leaves towards 7:00-8:00 are weak, but there's still a lot more there than is commonly found on 1921's. Remember, these were struck by the gazillions, the dies lived a very hard life indeed, and striking pressures were somewhat reduced with that in mind.

The spots should not detract from the given grade. They're fairly common with 1921's. The luster looks outstanding; I suspect this is a very early strike from the dies. PL designation, of course, is tough from the photo, so I leave that for you to decide.

The marks near OF are another characteristic; I've seen them more often to show greater luster than lesser. I wonder if that's a function of die preparation, or maybe a slightly higher area on the master hub, because 1921-D's show the same thing.

Your lighting is iffy for grading; the marks I see on the cheek might be overstated. I'll call it MS63, but 64 isn't unlikely.

Can you check a couple things for me? First, I see a lot of specks on the lower reverse, under the wreath and around DOLL. 1921-P's have rusted-die artifacts; can you get that area under a loupe to see if the specks might be raised, indicating a rusted die?

Second, have a look at the reeding. There is an Infrequently Reeded type with fewer reeds than normal. Here's a set of comparison pics:

Normal reeding:

1921-Morgan

Infrequent Reeding:

1921-Morgan

Note that the "lands" of the Infrequent Reeding type are noticeably wider than the "troughs."
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 Posted 06/10/2007  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not think that it would meet the PL designation criteria. The luster is abundant and frosty, but not brilliantly reflective. These new pics were taken with cloud-muted sunlight. Possibly slight pitting around the wreath but possibly in the UNITED area.

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06/10/2007 11:16 pm
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 Posted 06/11/2007  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Judging from Dave's pictures, looks like normal reeding. I also didn't notice how prevalent that nick was on the reverse right to the left of the eagle. I still think it's a solid 64 though. I was speculating PL because one of my test coins I sent to PCGS with Dave came back as PL and this picture seemed to have the same quality...

Definitely a coin to be proud of.
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Nice shots, man. The lighting and clarity of the full reverse pic would absolutely show any of the pitting I'm looking for; guess it ain't there.

Aside comment - I don't think the camera is *quite* square to the coin. The reverse right side is not as sharply focused as the left, and the obverse is the same top-to-bottom. It looks like you're doing the vertical coin thing; you could slightly tilt the camera to compensate. If you could make that tiny adjustment somehow, you'll have some superior pics to post here.

The reeding is "regular." It's an altogether nice coin, and it's got a real shot at 64.

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Hehe, I have the redneck photo studio thing going on- the coin is sitting on a book in a window sill while I use the back of the couch to steady my arms holding the camera

That is the reason why I do not post many photos- it is just too dern difficult to get good ones and it is pointless to post lousy blurred photos.

I am actively searching ebay for a copy stand that I can get for around $100 but I might just put my engineering skills to use and build my own if I can't find a good one for the right price.

BTW, I purchased this 1921 for $16- one of my best bid board wins to date Thanks for your help SuperDave, I knew you could assist on this one.
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 Posted 06/11/2007  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
$16? Fruit!

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 Posted 06/11/2007  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Hehe, I have the redneck photo studio thing going on- the coin is sitting on a book in a window sill while I use the back of the couch to steady my arms holding the camera


If I'm not mistaken, Superdave has quite the unorthodox set-up, but makes some of the most beautiful pics I have seen. I don't think anyone cares what it looks like as long as it gets the desired results.....
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